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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 08-31-2020, 09:20 PM
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(08-31-2020, 09:05 PM)mothered Wrote: (08-31-2020, 03:02 PM)green314 Wrote: With "item" you mean that the package did arrive, the box did arrive but the final item i.e. the earphones were missing, right?
Correct.
The box was received without the Item enclosed.
I understand.
To increase the success probability of this SE you will have also to say that the package was tampered, the weight of the package is not very relevant if you just say that the contents were missing. So you can do it with whatever you want, not just light item. Right?
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 08-31-2020, 09:29 PM
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(08-31-2020, 09:20 PM)green314 Wrote: To increase the success probability of this SE you will have also to say that the package was tampered, the weight of the package is not very relevant if you just say that the contents were missing. So you can do it with whatever you want, not just light item. Right?
You can simply say that the Item was missing when you opened the box.
This has In fact happened with AirPods purchased from Amazon.
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 08-31-2020, 09:39 PM
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(08-31-2020, 09:29 PM)mothered Wrote: (08-31-2020, 09:20 PM)green314 Wrote: To increase the success probability of this SE you will have also to say that the package was tampered, the weight of the package is not very relevant if you just say that the contents were missing. So you can do it with whatever you want, not just light item. Right?
You can simply say that the Item was missing when you opened the box.
This has In fact happened with AirPods purchased from Amazon.
Yes. And I think isn't there any statement on any T&S which would cover the company for that.
They will have to ask you to sent the pack back and issue you a refund or replacement.
I want to try this... So this is the "missing item method".
I had thought the missing item method was the same as the partial method with the only difference that the missing item was obviously about SE just one item and the partial was for a plurality of items.
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 08-31-2020, 09:45 PM
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(08-31-2020, 09:39 PM)green314 Wrote: (08-31-2020, 09:29 PM)mothered Wrote: (08-31-2020, 09:20 PM)green314 Wrote: To increase the success probability of this SE you will have also to say that the package was tampered, the weight of the package is not very relevant if you just say that the contents were missing. So you can do it with whatever you want, not just light item. Right?
You can simply say that the Item was missing when you opened the box.
This has In fact happened with AirPods purchased from Amazon.
Yes. And I think isn't there any statement on any T&S which would cover the company for that.
They will have to ask you to sent the pack back and issue you a refund or replacement.
I want to try this... So this is the "missing item method".
I had thought the missing item method was the same as the partial method with the only difference that the missing item was obviously about SE just one item and the partial was for a plurality of items.
If the weight Is light enough, you can use the missing Item method on the "box and Its contents".
If not, use It on the "Item".
Clear enough?
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 08-31-2020, 10:08 PM
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(08-31-2020, 09:45 PM)mothered Wrote: (08-31-2020, 09:39 PM)green314 Wrote: (08-31-2020, 09:29 PM)mothered Wrote: You can simply say that the Item was missing when you opened the box.
This has In fact happened with AirPods purchased from Amazon.
Yes. And I think isn't there any statement on any T&S which would cover the company for that.
They will have to ask you to sent the pack back and issue you a refund or replacement.
I want to try this... So this is the "missing item method".
I had thought the missing item method was the same as the partial method with the only difference that the missing item was obviously about SE just one item and the partial was for a plurality of items.
If the weight Is light enough, you can use the missing Item method on the "box and Its contents".
If not, use It on the "Item".
Clear enough?
Yes. Glad I clarified it.
With the missing item on the "box" our last conversation regard CCTV system comes up again.
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 09-01-2020, 08:46 AM
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(08-31-2020, 10:08 PM)green314 Wrote: With the missing item on the "box" our last conversation regard CCTV system comes up again.
What do you mean by this?
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 09-01-2020, 08:59 AM
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(09-01-2020, 08:46 AM)mothered Wrote: (08-31-2020, 10:08 PM)green314 Wrote: With the missing item on the "box" our last conversation regard CCTV system comes up again.
What do you mean by this?
That if you say that the box was missing the CCTV might have a proof against this claim.
If you instead say that the earphones (inside the box) were missing, they can't be sure there were present in the box when shipped (since CCTV systems are useless with this process).
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 09-01-2020, 10:20 AM
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(09-01-2020, 08:59 AM)green314 Wrote: (09-01-2020, 08:46 AM)mothered Wrote: (08-31-2020, 10:08 PM)green314 Wrote: With the missing item on the "box" our last conversation regard CCTV system comes up again.
What do you mean by this?
That if you say that the box was missing the CCTV might have a proof against this claim.
If you instead say that the earphones (inside the box) were missing, they can't be sure there were present in the box when shipped (since CCTV systems are useless with this process).
This Is precisely what I advised In our discussion on this board.
I just needed clarification as to what you were referring to.
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 09-01-2020, 02:56 PM
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I will try, definitely. With a pair of earphones of around 50g (all the items: case and earphones). I'm just still undecided about SEing the company itself or a third-party-company seller (similar to amazon, ePrice etc). As always will I pick the part which has the lackest T&S?
(08-31-2020, 09:39 PM)green314 Wrote: (08-31-2020, 09:29 PM)mothered Wrote: (08-31-2020, 09:20 PM)green314 Wrote: To increase the success probability of this SE you will have also to say that the package was tampered, the weight of the package is not very relevant if you just say that the contents were missing. So you can do it with whatever you want, not just light item. Right?
You can simply say that the Item was missing when you opened the box.
This has In fact happened with AirPods purchased from Amazon.
Yes. And I think isn't there any statement on any T&S which would cover the company for that.
They will have to ask you to sent the pack back and issue you a refund or replacement.
And btw, can you confirm is right the part about the T&S?
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RE: is 50 grams too much for the empty box method? 09-01-2020, 04:28 PM
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(09-01-2020, 02:56 PM)green314 Wrote: As always will I pick the part which has the lackest T&S?
What exactly are you trying to establish In their terms?
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