[Wildfire]

I'm not saying that they have no place in the economy, I'm just saying that there is a limit, because at this point, only a handful of EU countries are being FLOODED with unskilled labour. I admit I did not know the actual statistics of UK's acceptance.

So what does this have to do with the EU again? The EU doesn't get to dictate how many refugees each of the countries has to accept - they are more focused around ensuring mattress manufactures have a fire retardant label on their products...

It also pains me that the Brexit people and others are so quick to turn these refugees away. "Well they don't help us so why the fuck should we take them!". Perhaps maybe because they are fleeing war and have no where else to go? Have we as a society really lost the bare amount of empathy needed to help these people? They are refugees from WAR. Their homes have been over run by an organization that beheads, drowns, and tortures the people who they capture. Where exactly do you want them to go? "Anywhere but I live" is not an acceptable answer.

The problem is a pretty good chunk of the "refugees" aren't from Syria at all. They're from countries in Africa, India, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. They're all coming to Europe and claiming they're Syrians for refugee status. Also, they are dictating how many refugees each country has to accept. In fact, here's a quote:

The European Union announced a new plan Wednesday to deal with asylum seekers, requiring member states to accept certain numbers under a quota system and imposing 250,000-euro-per-migrant fines if the countries do not.

My source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eur...story.html

That is precisely what you say isn't happening.

[superMAUS]

I don't think the referendum had anything to do with race, although there are always people crying wolf when it comes to racism.

Bruh if you can't see the racial side to Brexit than you really do have your eyes sewn shut. A huge part of the Brexit movement was to close off the UK's borders to the rest of the EU to prevent "unwanted peoples" from making their way into the UK easily. Most people are using the same old "they took my job!!!" argument that republicans in the U.S. have been using since the end of Reagan's last term.

"But Dyme! It isn't about race! The brexit people could be talking about white people who they don't want allowed into the country!"

Now I will refer you to the following billboard by the Leave campaign.


Very interesting how the leave movement has decided to use a line of (brown) refugees as their prime motivating message to close the UK's border. The similarities to the Leave movement and the xenophobic rhetoric of Donald Trump is almost uncanny.

And who is that charming man in front of the poster? It's none other than Nigel Farage, the leader of UKIP. And well, lets just say UKIP has had more than a few incidents where they have been accused of blatant racism.

Why listen to me though when you can hear it straight from the horses mouth?



I'm not saying the entirety of Brexit has to do with race - of course it doesn't. But if you can't see the racial component to Brexit, than you are either uninformed or willfully ignorant.

Right on the money, but my guess is that this kind of argument doesn't appeal to most conservatives or is easy for them to discount, in which case they should also acknowledge just how detrimental this will be (and already has been) to the British economy. Britain is reliant on the EU as trade partners and they make a profit on being a member.

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The cherry on the top of this fantastic cake is that Cameron is resigning! It's just great. If you want great laughs check #brexit on Twitter, pure salt mine. People equating this vote to proving that most of Brittan is racist.

The market will re-stable its self once the city boys stop shitting them self's. London was the only area to support the EU, no wonder the markets have shat them self's.

I feel like it would stabilize, as the UK isn't exactly relying on the EU. What about the 350m a week the UK sends the EU? I feel like this would impact countries relying on or supporting the EU more. I don't think the referendum had anything to do with race, although there are always people crying wolf when it comes to racism.

The UK is absolutely reliant on the EU:

The proportion of total exports to the EU was 48% in April 2016.
The proportion of total imports from the EU was 47% April 2016.

And the figure of 350m has been refuted with frequency: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/real...50m-a-week

I don't think the referendum had anything to do with race, although there are always people crying wolf when it comes to racism.

The whole thing was a concerted nationalistic effort to expel migrants and end the freedom of movement that comes with the EU.

[Dyme]

The problem is a pretty good chunk of the "refugees" aren't from Syria at all. They're from countries in Africa, India, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. They're all coming to Europe and claiming they're Syrians for refugee status.

The way you quote the word refugees is a bit off putting if you're suggesting that these people are leaving their home lands for any reason other than to flee violence and oppression. And so what if they aren't all from Syria? ISIS, islamic terrorism, and war isn't confined to Syria only. Take a look at this graph:


You implied that people coming from Africa and Pakistan don't deserve asylum because they are somehow lying??? Does Boko Haram not have a real presence in Nigeria? Is Ukraine not undergoing a civil war? Does the Taliban not exist in Pakistan or Afghanistan?

Also, they are dictating how many refugees each country has to accept. In fact, here's a quote:

The European Union announced a new plan Wednesday to deal with asylum seekers, requiring member states to accept certain numbers under a quota system and imposing 250,000-euro-per-migrant fines if the countries do not.

My source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eur...story.html

That is precisely what you say isn't happening.

In the context of Brexit your point is irrelevant. "Britain would be allowed to opt out of the quota system and continue with current rules that allow for expulsions." (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3282746e-11d8-...z4CVRcwlW0)

So no, the EU will not get to dictate the number of refugees Britain accepts.

[meow]

I don't think the referendum had anything to do with race, although there are always people crying wolf when it comes to racism.

Bruh if you can't see the racial side to Brexit than you really do have your eyes sewn shut. A huge part of the Brexit movement was to close off the UK's borders to the rest of the EU to prevent "unwanted peoples" from making their way into the UK easily. Most people are using the same old "they took my job!!!" argument that republicans in the U.S. have been using since the end of Reagan's last term.

"But Dyme! It isn't about race! The brexit people could be talking about white people who they don't want allowed into the country!"

Now I will refer you to the following billboard by the Leave campaign.


Very interesting how the leave movement has decided to use a line of (brown) refugees as their prime motivating message to close the UK's border. The similarities to the Leave movement and the xenophobic rhetoric of Donald Trump is almost uncanny.

And who is that charming man in front of the poster? It's none other than Nigel Farage, the leader of UKIP. And well, lets just say UKIP has had more than a few incidents where they have been accused of blatant racism.

Why listen to me though when you can hear it straight from the horses mouth?

I deleted the line of this video otherwise it wouldn't let me post -meow

I'm not saying the entirety of Brexit has to do with race - of course it doesn't. But if you can't see the racial component to Brexit, than you are either uninformed or willfully ignorant.

Brexit has NOTHING to do with race. This is not a racial problem, this is an immigrant/refugee problem. Brexit isn't a thing because they're racist towards Africans and Arabs, it's a thing because Britian is fucking scared to shit of having their country torn apart by these barbarians because they see it already happening to Sweden and Germany, and I don't blame them a tiny bit. Also, for the record, there are more races in the migrants than just Arab and African. It seems you're the one with your eyes "sewn shut." I encourage you to watch this video so that you can see what I mean when I say Germany and Sweden are getting fucked by these migrants.



Would you like to know why the billboard uses brown people to portray the refugees? I don't fucking know, maybe it's because the majority of refugees are brown, but there's no way that could be it cause that's racist right!!!!!! By getting pissed off about something like that, I get the feeling you're trying to find the dumbest shit to go against Brexit for because there's literally no other reason to be against it other than your precious "but dats rasist!"

Obviously someone who leads a movement to keep destructive migrants out of their country is going to be accused of racism, thanks to ignorant people like you who actually think this has something to do with race. Shit, I get accused of racism when I pull up stats on fucking Muslims even though Islam isn't even race. Either way, an accusation is an accusation, you should probably assume that those are wrong before assuming they're true little buddy.

[Dyme]

little buddy.

Oh shit what a devastating insult!! Boy I have been emasculated!!

Can you please calm down and put your dick back in your pants. "THERE IS NOTHING RACIST HERE" says the dude whose skype is "thenigger". Of course you probably don't see anything wrong with that though.

I would seriously respond to you but you always resort to being rude and name calling as you already have and I really don't have the patience to deal with that right now.

[pvnk]

Something is happening and some people are pretending like they understand what's going on. This should be good.

[superMAUS]

I don't think the referendum had anything to do with race, although there are always people crying wolf when it comes to racism.

Bruh if you can't see the racial side to Brexit than you really do have your eyes sewn shut. A huge part of the Brexit movement was to close off the UK's borders to the rest of the EU to prevent "unwanted peoples" from making their way into the UK easily. Most people are using the same old "they took my job!!!" argument that republicans in the U.S. have been using since the end of Reagan's last term.

"But Dyme! It isn't about race! The brexit people could be talking about white people who they don't want allowed into the country!"

Now I will refer you to the following billboard by the Leave campaign.


Very interesting how the leave movement has decided to use a line of (brown) refugees as their prime motivating message to close the UK's border. The similarities to the Leave movement and the xenophobic rhetoric of Donald Trump is almost uncanny.

And who is that charming man in front of the poster? It's none other than Nigel Farage, the leader of UKIP. And well, lets just say UKIP has had more than a few incidents where they have been accused of blatant racism.

Why listen to me though when you can hear it straight from the horses mouth?

I deleted the line of this video otherwise it wouldn't let me post -meow

I'm not saying the entirety of Brexit has to do with race - of course it doesn't. But if you can't see the racial component to Brexit, than you are either uninformed or willfully ignorant.

Brexit has NOTHING to do with race. This is not a racial problem, this is an immigrant/refugee problem. Brexit isn't a thing because they're racist towards Africans and Arabs, it's a thing because Britian is fucking scared to shit of having their country torn apart by these barbarians because they see it already happening to Sweden and Germany, and I don't blame them a tiny bit. Also, for the record, there are more races in the migrants than just Arab and African. It seems you're the one with your eyes "sewn shut." I encourage you to watch this video so that you can see what I mean when I say Germany and Sweden are getting fucked by these migrants.



Would you like to know why the billboard uses brown people to portray the refugees? I don't fucking know, maybe it's because the majority of refugees are brown, but there's no way that could be it cause that's racist right!!!!!! By getting pissed off about something like that, I get the feeling you're trying to find the dumbest shit to go against Brexit for because there's literally no other reason to be against it other than your precious "but dats rasist!"

Obviously someone who leads a movement to keep destructive migrants out of their country is going to be accused of racism, thanks to ignorant people like you who actually think this has something to do with race. Shit, I get accused of racism when I pull up stats on fucking Muslims even though Islam isn't even race. Either way, an accusation is an accusation, you should probably assume that those are wrong before assuming they're true little buddy.

Ignoring the issue muslims and the recent refugee crisis relating to Syria, there has been for a while a disaffection with the idea of a highly multicultural Britain. Take from that what you will, perceive it as racism or whatever but it is undeniably tied up with the idea of an indepent, sovereign britain and brexit. I think alot of conservatives will talk about the rational behind this xenophobia because of the dangers of terrorism but one has to remember that the severity of these threats in highly exaggerated.

I have been thinking about the comparisons that are made with the suggested treatment of muslims by figures like trump and the the treatment of jews at the start of world war 2. At first I thought that such comparisons were ludicrous, after all jews werent suicide bombing and shooting up places like muslims are today, the comparison is at fault because muslims are an active harm. But recently my line of thinking has changed, after all, at the time jews were considered to be economically dangerous, that they were purposely leading to the demise of germany through the control of big business, economic terrorism if you will. can this exaggeration of the perception of the dangers of jews at the start of ww2 and the perception of the dangers of muslims be compared? I don't know, but it is food for thought. and the attacks of halal foods and the proposed muslim bans seem to be red flags to me.

[meow]

"No education and no skills", you act like these types of people don't have a place in the global economy. We in the U.S. have been having this same argument with immigration from Mexico from people who are fleeing violence. Who cares if they are unskilled or uneducated? You're acting like because they are unskilled workers they have no value in society. In America, our economy depends on a large workforce of unskilled workers to do the jobs that U.S. born citizens wont. Alabama tried banning illegal immigrant labour (Alabama HB 56), and it was almost universally considered an epic failure as "Industries dependent on migrant labor have been strongly impacted. Farmers have found that Americans are not willing to work under such harsh working conditions for low pay.[15] Some businesses in other industries have lost workers, including legal workers, as a result of the new immigration law.[16]"

Also, can you please explain further how the EU is straining the UK's welfare and housing system through accepting refugees? From what I'm reading, the UK has only accepted 1000 refugees, which should barely have an effect on the NHS or housing... If you have statistics to back up your claim I'm more than eager to read them.

Also its worth noting that only 1% of the average brit's taxes go to the EU. Another reason why I think people are blowing this whole thing out of proportion.

Lol are you seriously going to sit there and pretend that the only reason mexicans go to the US is to flee violence? I'm not even going to comment on that. However, I'm not going to disagree with you on the cheap and manual labor statements because that's one of the things you're accurate about.

The EU doesn't force Britian to accept migrants, however, the EU actually took Britian to court because Britian because it wanted to limit the benefits payments to migrants. The EU is by far the most socialist organization in the world. In addition to what the EU was already making them do, they wanted Britian to give an extra £800 million to the EU JUST because Britian's economy was outdoing all of the other countries in the EU. Doesn't get more socialist than that.

Britian payed £35 million a day to the EU, which is a LOT of money that could've been used on something more useful.

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little buddy.

Oh shit what a devastating insult!! Boy I have been emasculated!!

Can you please calm down and put your dick back in your pants. "THERE IS NOTHING RACIST HERE" says the dude whose skype is "thenigger". Of course you probably don't see anything wrong with that though.

I would seriously respond to you but you always resort to being rude and name calling as you already have and I really don't have the patience to deal with that right now.

Looks like you've resorted to personally attacking me instead of actually trying to prove your points, which is what happens EVERY time I say something to you that you can't come back from. Well done, I hope your huge ego gets feeling better soon. Also, my skype name is a joke. If you're that offended by it then I can make a different skype, would that make you stop crying wolf?

[superMAUS]

Something is happening and some people are pretending like they understand what's going on. This should be good.

go browse memes on 4chan or something

[Dyme]

Just shut the fuck up already you incredibly ignorant numpty.

I honestly feel bad for you sometimes lol. Why you are such an angry person I will never understand, but there are people who can help you with that.

Looks like you've resorted to personally attacking me instead of actually trying to prove your points, which is what happens EVERY time I say something to you that you can't come back from. Well done, I hope your huge ego gets feeling better soon.

Have you noticed that for some reason I only do this to you? Perhaps it is because you can't have a normal debate with out insulting or inflaming the person you disagree with? Just some stuff to think about.