[sinisterlee]

They don't flag phones carriers.

Yes, I'd like to think so.

Captcha is because of a low quality IP/VPN.

I'm getting captcha across 10 different devices, 10 different simcards.
I'm certain they get a different IP assigned (plane mode on/off), but are all from the same phone carrier... 

For example: Amazon checks the billing information of the VCC and you get AVS if it doesn't match with the one given.

I've been successfully placing orders from other stores with VCCs, under fake billing addresses.
Do you think these stores just didnt check the billing address, or rather that the VCCs do not carry one? (allowing me to use any)

Amazon has the most secure systems, many other stores don't because they don't invest into them.So it's normal they don't the system for checking if billing information matches or not. I know that such stores as Asos, Bol I think so also checks, if something is wrong they just cancel the order as far as I remember.

I don't think that they have information about me from the payment side, there are rules of EU that don't let them keep or have certain information. I tried to order an item bellow 100 euro that I didn't order for some time, but I got the AVS. I try to make grammatical mistakes in the address and even I get new ones. they were not used previously by me. Yesterday I even tried on a different computer to order, still had the same problem.

Zen and Wise don't mask your identity, they give the same information to Amazon as every other bank.

I am now doing Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren to just see how it goes with them. Didn't had any experience with them in the past.

I didn't try Revolut disposable cards, don't wanna lose refund or something. Better to use just normal VCC cards, that's it.

They dont mask, meaning the see the real card owner when they make the refund?!
Better to use because of the sucess rate?
Some websites now dont accept rev disposable bins.

Dont try ftid with RL.

What about LIT with RL? I know that should work.

I don't think that just regular Amazon reps see your credit card information, like only the last digits or something like that. Only the Amazon AVS system could see that if your billing info matches or not and etc.

Don't know about LIT but they said that UPS informed them there was an issue with the package, due to the size of packaging the original items could have not been there etc. They also said to avoid such issues in the future a return could only be done if the courier collected it from a home address. They were shipping out of Italy, generally Italians are much more switched on when it comes to scams and they will not refund you in the same way as they do in the UK/US. Do you know what country LIT worked from?

The amazon reps will not see, disposable card numbers from rev start the same and bigger companies especially can detect the bins and might choose to not accept those cards. I wonder what details the finance team sees. The people who create the credit notes.
With another company in the credit note it said the card owner was unknown (vcc). With a regular vcc that is tied to your real identity not sure what they do see.

Do you have any good source for buying revs or other vccs?

[ruonis55]

Yes, I'd like to think so.

I'm getting captcha across 10 different devices, 10 different simcards.
I'm certain they get a different IP assigned (plane mode on/off), but are all from the same phone carrier... 

I've been successfully placing orders from other stores with VCCs, under fake billing addresses.
Do you think these stores just didnt check the billing address, or rather that the VCCs do not carry one? (allowing me to use any)

Amazon has the most secure systems, many other stores don't because they don't invest into them.So it's normal they don't the system for checking if billing information matches or not. I know that such stores as Asos, Bol I think so also checks, if something is wrong they just cancel the order as far as I remember.

They dont mask, meaning the see the real card owner when they make the refund?!
Better to use because of the sucess rate?
Some websites now dont accept rev disposable bins.

Dont try ftid with RL.

What about LIT with RL? I know that should work.

I don't think that just regular Amazon reps see your credit card information, like only the last digits or something like that. Only the Amazon AVS system could see that if your billing info matches or not and etc.

Don't know about LIT but they said that UPS informed them there was an issue with the package, due to the size of packaging the original items could have not been there etc. They also said to avoid such issues in the future a return could only be done if the courier collected it from a home address. They were shipping out of Italy, generally Italians are much more switched on when it comes to scams and they will not refund you in the same way as they do in the UK/US. Do you know what country LIT worked from?

The amazon reps will not see, disposable card numbers from rev start the same and bigger companies especially can detect the bins and might choose to not accept those cards. I wonder what details the finance team sees. The people who create the credit notes.
With another company in the credit note it said the card owner was unknown (vcc). With a regular vcc that is tied to your real identity not sure what they do see.

Do you have any good source for buying revs or other vccs?

RL I think makes expectations for the first time as Amazon. You only can do it one time on account, then yeah, you wouldn't get a refund on the next time it would happen.

You can buy a bank account, but you wouldn't hold big amounts of money on it. You have to evaluate that. I thought about that idea, but I got scared because of losing the bought account and etc. It's better to have your own. Other new VCC banks that I checked are against such things as Amazon refunding I saw some new ones that are recent and I registered on them, but I saw that many people wrote negative feedback on the Trustpilot and I got in a chat with a customer rep and asked about that, so he said they ban the accounts who does fraud activity including such things as getting multiple refunds from websites. So if you see any new banks with VCC, you should do some investigation about how strict they are on these things.

[sinisterlee]

Amazon has the most secure systems, many other stores don't because they don't invest into them.So it's normal they don't the system for checking if billing information matches or not. I know that such stores as Asos, Bol I think so also checks, if something is wrong they just cancel the order as far as I remember.


What about LIT with RL? I know that should work.

I don't think that just regular Amazon reps see your credit card information, like only the last digits or something like that. Only the Amazon AVS system could see that if your billing info matches or not and etc.

Don't know about LIT but they said that UPS informed them there was an issue with the package, due to the size of packaging the original items could have not been there etc. They also said to avoid such issues in the future a return could only be done if the courier collected it from a home address. They were shipping out of Italy, generally Italians are much more switched on when it comes to scams and they will not refund you in the same way as they do in the UK/US. Do you know what country LIT worked from?

The amazon reps will not see, disposable card numbers from rev start the same and bigger companies especially can detect the bins and might choose to not accept those cards. I wonder what details the finance team sees. The people who create the credit notes.
With another company in the credit note it said the card owner was unknown (vcc). With a regular vcc that is tied to your real identity not sure what they do see.

Do you have any good source for buying revs or other vccs?

RL I think makes expectations for the first time as Amazon. You only can do it one time on account, then yeah, you wouldn't get a refund on the next time it would happen.

You can buy a bank account, but you wouldn't hold big amounts of money on it. You have to evaluate that. I thought about that idea, but I got scared because of losing the bought account and etc. It's better to have your own. Other new VCC banks that I checked are against such things as Amazon refunding I saw some new ones that are recent and I registered on them, but I saw that many people wrote negative feedback on the Trustpilot and I got in a chat with a customer rep and asked about that, so he said they ban the accounts who does fraud activity including such things as getting multiple refunds from websites. So if you see any new banks with VCC, you should do some investigation about how strict they are on these things.

The ftid case I heard about with RL, happened the first time. Maybe they were unlucky. RL did however reveal information on how you could win a claim with them...

That's true, it is always possible for stealth account sellers/money mules to decide to take over the account and take your money.
Especially with money mules as they are usually poor desperate people

[ruonis55]

Good news. Finally ordered. Used Wise bank, a friend recommended changing the Wise address to the shipping and I got the 3D secure page on the first try.

[EdenSlate]

Good news. Finally ordered. Used Wise bank, a friend recommended changing the Wise address to the shipping and I got the 3D secure page on the first try.

Thanks for the update.
You mean the main address on the Wise acc?
Great if they dont ask any docs to verify.

[ruonis55]

Good news. Finally ordered. Used Wise bank, a friend recommended changing the Wise address to the shipping and I got the 3D secure page on the first try.

Thanks for the update.
You mean the main address on the Wise acc?
Great if they dont ask any docs to verify.

No, they didn't ask. Yeah I mean the main, it's changeable in the settings.

[ruonis55]

Bad news: I'm started to get the processing page again. Using Revolut or Wise banks. My Monese bank got a cooldown and can't create new VCC until 2024 January 1 st. Maybe now someone figured it out what the case could be.

I'm thinking about proxy/VPN IP problem or an Virtual Credit Card problem. I get more lucky when using Master Card VCC than Visa. The items that I order are below 100 euro mark.

Any ideas/suggestions on this?

[NaderTheWanderer]

Bad news: I'm started to get the processing page again. Using Revolut or Wise banks. My Monese bank got a cooldown and can't create new VCC until 2024 January 1 st. Maybe now someone figured it out what the case could be.

I'm thinking about proxy/VPN IP problem or an Virtual Credit Card problem. I get more lucky when using Master Card VCC than Visa. The items that I order are below 100 euro mark.

Any ideas/suggestions on this?

Marked VCC Source

[NaderTheWanderer]

Bad news: I'm started to get the processing page again. Using Revolut or Wise banks. My Monese bank got a cooldown and can't create new VCC until 2024 January 1 st. Maybe now someone figured it out what the case could be.

I'm thinking about proxy/VPN IP problem or an Virtual Credit Card problem. I get more lucky when using Master Card VCC than Visa. The items that I order are below 100 euro mark.

Any ideas/suggestions on this?

I Just Finished Looking Into Your Issue , Firstly Sorry About The Previous Comment As I Thought It Was The Issue And Ironically I Already Commented It Before .. Well I Don't Know How To Explain This .. But It Turns Out That Your "Behaviour" Is Captured And Registered As A Virtual Persona With Some Random ID Into Amazon "AI" Database As Thus It Can Detect You As "ID X" If A Certain Characteristics Are Connected Then Blocks You From Doing Any Order But Not From The Very First Order .. Don't Worry Its Not Something About Violating Your Privacy As Its Just A Behavior That Was Recorded Related To Some Ghost "Metaphorically" , Only Advice I Can Give You Is Just Change Item Type Or Lower It's Quantities .. Hope You Get The Point , I Wish This Helps .

Edit : Nothing Is Wrong With Your VCC , VPNS , ETC ..

[ruonis55]

Bad news: I'm started to get the processing page again. Using Revolut or Wise banks. My Monese bank got a cooldown and can't create new VCC until 2024 January 1 st. Maybe now someone figured it out what the case could be.

I'm thinking about proxy/VPN IP problem or an Virtual Credit Card problem. I get more lucky when using Master Card VCC than Visa. The items that I order are below 100 euro mark.

Any ideas/suggestions on this?

I Just Finished Looking Into Your Issue , Firstly Sorry About The Previous Comment As I Thought It Was The Issue And Ironically I Already Commented It Before .. Well I Don't Know How To Explain This .. But It Turns Out That Your "Behaviour" Is Captured And Registered As A Virtual Persona With Some Random ID Into Amazon "AI" Database As Thus It Can Detect You As "ID X" If A Certain Characteristics Are Connected Then Blocks You From Doing Any Order But Not From The Very First Order .. Don't Worry Its Not Something About Violating Your Privacy As Its Just A Behavior That Was Recorded Related To Some Ghost "Metaphorically" , Only Advice I Can Give You Is Just Change Item Type Or Lower It's Quantities .. Hope You Get The Point , I Wish This Helps .

Edit : Nothing Is Wrong With Your VCC , VPNS , ETC ..

It's interesting because I got two refunds in a row without any problems before this problem occurred, but with MasterCard VCC. And yes, I tried different items, but still got the same processing page and AVS.