(08-25-2023, 03:53 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: Hey guys. I am having a problem with Amazon.de AVS. I tried like 10 times already in the past few days to order something with all new details and etc, but no luck. I am not getting the 3D secure pop up window and they always request the CIV code. Tried a different VPNs and residential proxies with different countries.  I am trying to order the same item I always order, its price is like 109 euro. I know that 2-3 AVS is kind of normal, but when I start getting like 10+ of them and the same thank you for ordering pop up without the 3D secure I am feeling unlucky. I tried with different VCC , from Zen, Revolut , Wise.

I am asking for your opinion, maybe there is someone who dealt with this in the past or knows what could be the problem.

(08-29-2023, 01:30 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: If anyone is still interested on how it's going on, so today I tried again with a different VPN. I tried 3 attempts with Wise VCC, and all three times I tried different ways, like using a different browser, and accepting and not accepting Amazon cookies. I had no luck. Also I'm in search for new VCC banks.

(08-31-2023, 11:54 AM)ruonis55 Wrote:

(08-31-2023, 11:47 AM)Subterranean Homesick Alien Wrote:

(08-31-2023, 11:40 AM)ruonis55 Wrote: Still getting AVS for using Wise VCC. I would recommend Monese, but you get only one VCC. On Revolut you get 4 VCC and after using them and deleting you get a 30 day cooldown. There is Zen bank, he gives you 10 VCC, but first ones are free then it's 5 euro/each. But they are kind of strict, if you refund regularly and grab their attention you will get your account suspended, it is a warning and after you promise not to abuse their system again, it will be unlocked. But their VCC recently are not working quite good with Amazon, so you are wasting 5 euro each one.

I see. Thank you for sharing your experience. I'll give revolut a try.
Just, to clarify the "process": you upload your legit ID to revolut and then you create a regular virtual credit card, not a disposable one.

Yeah, everything is as you said.

(09-18-2023, 11:58 PM)sinisterlee Wrote:

(08-25-2023, 03:53 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: Hey guys. I am having a problem with Amazon.de AVS. I tried like 10 times already in the past few days to order something with all new details and etc, but no luck. I am not getting the 3D secure pop up window and they always request the CIV code. Tried a different VPNs and residential proxies with different countries.  I am trying to order the same item I always order, its price is like 109 euro. I know that 2-3 AVS is kind of normal, but when I start getting like 10+ of them and the same thank you for ordering pop up without the 3D secure I am feeling unlucky. I tried with different VCC , from Zen, Revolut , Wise.

I am asking for your opinion, maybe there is someone who dealt with this in the past or knows what could be the problem.

Maybe there is an issue that you are always ordering the same product, to the same country or their fraud tools/teams are noticing other patterns?
Do you know if zen and wise vccs mask your identity? When the company refunds you, do they see the real account owner?

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(08-29-2023, 01:30 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: If anyone is still interested on how it's going on, so today I tried again with a different VPN. I tried 3 attempts with Wise VCC, and all three times I tried different ways, like using a different browser, and accepting and not accepting Amazon cookies. I had no luck. Also I'm in search for new VCC banks.

do you only do amazon? If not, how is your experience with wise on other sites?

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(08-31-2023, 11:54 AM)ruonis55 Wrote:

(08-31-2023, 11:47 AM)Subterranean Homesick Alien Wrote: I see. Thank you for sharing your experience. I'll give revolut a try.
Just, to clarify the "process": you upload your legit ID to revolut and then you create a regular virtual credit card, not a disposable one.

Yeah, everything is as you said.

You use a regular vcc on revolut because disposable cards have low acceptance?
Arent disposable cards destroyed by themself after each use?
Just seen the delete option for disposable cards, thought that they were one time use automatically...

(09-17-2023, 03:21 PM)megden195 Wrote: Just use new device that was newer used before + internet from new simcard with LTE

(09-19-2023, 07:28 AM)ruonis55 Wrote: Zen and Wise don't mask your identity, they give the same information to Amazon as every other bank.

(09-19-2023, 11:11 AM)EdenSlate Wrote:

(09-17-2023, 03:21 PM)megden195 Wrote: Just use new device that was newer used before + internet from new simcard with LTE

Doing exactly that, new phone / new simcard / new credentials : captcha still required when creating acc.
It's almost like they flagged the phone carrier. Is such a thing possible?

Currently in the process of aging accs, did not purchase anything yet.
Still, does captcha when signing-up = they know, & Im fucked down the line?

(09-19-2023, 12:00 PM)Subterranean Homesick Alien Wrote:

(09-19-2023, 07:28 AM)ruonis55 Wrote: Zen and Wise don't mask your identity, they give the same information to Amazon as every other bank.

VCC bank providers give your identity when you pay with a VCC?

(09-19-2023, 12:37 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: They don't flag phones carriers.

(09-19-2023, 12:37 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: Captcha is because of a low quality IP/VPN.

(09-19-2023, 12:37 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: For example: Amazon checks the billing information of the VCC and you get AVS if it doesn't match with the one given.

(09-19-2023, 07:28 AM)ruonis55 Wrote:

(09-18-2023, 11:58 PM)sinisterlee Wrote:

(08-25-2023, 03:53 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: Hey guys. I am having a problem with Amazon.de AVS. I tried like 10 times already in the past few days to order something with all new details and etc, but no luck. I am not getting the 3D secure pop up window and they always request the CIV code. Tried a different VPNs and residential proxies with different countries.  I am trying to order the same item I always order, its price is like 109 euro. I know that 2-3 AVS is kind of normal, but when I start getting like 10+ of them and the same thank you for ordering pop up without the 3D secure I am feeling unlucky. I tried with different VCC , from Zen, Revolut , Wise.

I am asking for your opinion, maybe there is someone who dealt with this in the past or knows what could be the problem.

Maybe there is an issue that you are always ordering the same product, to the same country or their fraud tools/teams are noticing other patterns?
Do you know if zen and wise vccs mask your identity? When the company refunds you, do they see the real account owner?

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(08-29-2023, 01:30 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: If anyone is still interested on how it's going on, so today I tried again with a different VPN. I tried 3 attempts with Wise VCC, and all three times I tried different ways, like using a different browser, and accepting and not accepting Amazon cookies. I had no luck. Also I'm in search for new VCC banks.

do you only do amazon? If not, how is your experience with wise on other sites?

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(08-31-2023, 11:54 AM)ruonis55 Wrote: Yeah, everything is as you said.

You use a regular vcc on revolut because disposable cards have low acceptance?
Arent disposable cards destroyed by themself after each use?
Just seen the delete option for disposable cards, thought that they were one time use automatically...

I don't think that they have information about me from the payment side, there are rules of EU that don't let them keep or have certain information. I tried to order an item bellow 100 euro that I didn't order for some time, but I got the AVS. I try to make grammatical mistakes in the address and even I get new ones. they were not used previously by me. Yesterday I even tried on a different computer to order, still had the same problem.

Zen and Wise don't mask your identity, they give the same information to Amazon as every other bank.

I am now doing Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren to just see how it goes with them. Didn't had any experience with them in the past.

I didn't try Revolut disposable cards, don't wanna lose refund or something. Better to use just normal VCC cards, that's it.

(09-19-2023, 01:09 PM)EdenSlate Wrote:

(09-19-2023, 12:37 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: They don't flag phones carriers.

Yes, I'd like to think so.

(09-19-2023, 12:37 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: Captcha is because of a low quality IP/VPN.

I'm getting captcha across 10 different devices, 10 different simcards.
I'm certain they get a different IP assigned (plane mode on/off), but are all from the same phone carrier...

(09-19-2023, 12:37 PM)ruonis55 Wrote: For example: Amazon checks the billing information of the VCC and you get AVS if it doesn't match with the one given.

I've been successfully placing orders from other stores with VCCs, under fake billing addresses.
Do you think these stores just didnt check the billing address, or rather that the VCCs do not carry one? (allowing me to use any)

(09-19-2023, 03:15 PM)sinisterlee Wrote:

(09-19-2023, 07:28 AM)ruonis55 Wrote:

(09-18-2023, 11:58 PM)sinisterlee Wrote: Maybe there is an issue that you are always ordering the same product, to the same country or their fraud tools/teams are noticing other patterns?
Do you know if zen and wise vccs mask your identity? When the company refunds you, do they see the real account owner?

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do you only do amazon? If not, how is your experience with wise on other sites?

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You use a regular vcc on revolut because disposable cards have low acceptance?
Arent disposable cards destroyed by themself after each use?
Just seen the delete option for disposable cards, thought that they were one time use automatically...

I don't think that they have information about me from the payment side, there are rules of EU that don't let them keep or have certain information. I tried to order an item bellow 100 euro that I didn't order for some time, but I got the AVS. I try to make grammatical mistakes in the address and even I get new ones. they were not used previously by me. Yesterday I even tried on a different computer to order, still had the same problem.

Zen and Wise don't mask your identity, they give the same information to Amazon as every other bank.

I am now doing Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren to just see how it goes with them. Didn't had any experience with them in the past.

I didn't try Revolut disposable cards, don't wanna lose refund or something. Better to use just normal VCC cards, that's it.

They dont mask, meaning the see the real card owner when they make the refund?!
Better to use because of the sucess rate?
Some websites now dont accept rev disposable bins.

Dont try ftid with RL.