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RE: Fake TID w/ ASUS? - Roadman - 06-05-2020
(06-05-2020, 09:48 PM)Filament Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:45 PM)Roadman Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:40 PM)Filament Wrote: Don't want to completely leak the method, but the objective of FTID is to make it so the company never receives your package, but it'll say 100% delivered on the tracking number. Since it shows as delivered, the customer has proof they sent the item to them. Thus, the company manually issues a refund/replacement.
I'm not sure how experienced you are, but would you say altering the first line of address, rather than just removing traceable info on the label, is a much better approach? Or are both methods equally as effective? (I've only done the latter and I have never run into trouble - yet...)
@mothered
Thank you in advance.
I personally modify everything other than the tracking bar code.
If you don't modify address, you have a risk of them tracing your package to your order.
If you do modify address, you have a risk of them claiming to never receive your package and go into long-drawn investigations - though I suppose this can also happen even with original address.
Yup that's so true, its just someone told me on their online tracking it said "address error", and another person told me the online tracking showed the delivered GPS location. Thanks for answering.
Do you know if those little QR codes are traceable? According to the ebook they are nothing more than additional tracking labels that are only used by the courier company. True? I feel like not enough research and online resources have gone into mentioning these additional barcodes.
RE: Fake TID w/ ASUS? - Filament - 06-05-2020
(06-05-2020, 09:59 PM)Roadman Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:48 PM)Filament Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:45 PM)Roadman Wrote: I'm not sure how experienced you are, but would you say altering the first line of address, rather than just removing traceable info on the label, is a much better approach? Or are both methods equally as effective? (I've only done the latter and I have never run into trouble - yet...)
@mothered
Thank you in advance.
I personally modify everything other than the tracking bar code.
If you don't modify address, you have a risk of them tracing your package to your order.
If you do modify address, you have a risk of them claiming to never receive your package and go into long-drawn investigations - though I suppose this can also happen even with original address.
Yup that's so true, its just someone told me on their online tracking it said "address error", and another person told me the online tracking showed the delivered GPS location. Thanks for answering.
Do you know if those little QR codes are traceable? According to the ebook they are nothing more than additional tracking labels that are only used by the courier company. True? I feel like not enough research and online resources have gone into mentioning these additional barcodes.
Hmm, I've never ran into address error. I always put in a valid address though. This may be courier-specific. With my FTID tracking numbers, they don't have any GPS location or anything, just the city/state.
You can scan the QR/Maxi code and see what information you get. Also Google can help you out, since different couriers have different labels.
UPS QR code will give information about the destination I believe.(Edit: found an interesting link: https://www.barcodefaq.com/2d/maxicode/ ) I think most of the bar/QR codes are just for the automated parts of delivery. The actual delivery is from the human-readable text. I'm not sure on that one though - just a speculation.
RE: Fake TID w/ ASUS? - Checkpoint - 06-05-2020
(06-05-2020, 09:48 PM)Filament Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:45 PM)Roadman Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:40 PM)Filament Wrote: Don't want to completely leak the method, but the objective of FTID is to make it so the company never receives your package, but it'll say 100% delivered on the tracking number. Since it shows as delivered, the customer has proof they sent the item to them. Thus, the company manually issues a refund/replacement.
I'm not sure how experienced you are, but would you say altering the first line of address, rather than just removing traceable info on the label, is a much better approach? Or are both methods equally as effective? (I've only done the latter and I have never run into trouble - yet...)
@mothered
Thank you in advance.
I personally modify everything other than the tracking bar code.
If you don't modify address, you have a risk of them tracing your package to your order.
If you do modify address, you have a risk of them claiming to never receive your package and go into long-drawn investigations - though I suppose this can also happen even with original address.
But you leave the barcodes unmodified, no?
I know for a fact that at least for some couriers, the barcode (that supposedly the courier uses to scan and update the tracking) is exactly the tracking. I mean if you read it with a barcode reader you get the same tracking number you put in the website to get the updates. So basically if they don't throw away the package, all they have to do is to read the barcode with a simple barcode reader and the get the tracking, and from there to your order.
RE: Fake TID w/ ASUS? - Filament - 06-05-2020
(06-05-2020, 11:06 PM)Checkpoint Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:48 PM)Filament Wrote:(06-05-2020, 09:45 PM)Roadman Wrote: I'm not sure how experienced you are, but would you say altering the first line of address, rather than just removing traceable info on the label, is a much better approach? Or are both methods equally as effective? (I've only done the latter and I have never run into trouble - yet...)
@mothered
Thank you in advance.
I personally modify everything other than the tracking bar code.
If you don't modify address, you have a risk of them tracing your package to your order.
If you do modify address, you have a risk of them claiming to never receive your package and go into long-drawn investigations - though I suppose this can also happen even with original address.
But you leave the barcodes unmodified, no?
I know for a fact that at least for some couriers, the barcode (that supposedly the courier uses to scan and update the tracking) is exactly the tracking. I mean if you read it with a barcode reader you get the same tracking number you put in the website to get the updates. So basically if they don't throw away the package, all they have to do is to read the barcode with a simple barcode reader and the get the tracking, and from there to your order.
Correct. The tracking number barcode will always contain the tracking number itself. So if you send it to the company, they have the ability to scan the tracking number and link it to your order. This is exactly what I meant when I said "you have a risk of them tracing your package to your order." This is only if you get a prepaid label from them though. With your own label, it's highly unlikely they'll just keep around an empty package, or maintain a list of tracking numbers with empty packages. Whether they actually search through tracking number depends company to company. Not many companies search through tracking numbers (yet). As they get raped more by FTID, I'm sure that'll eventually change.
RE: Fake TID w/ ASUS? - mothered - 06-06-2020
(06-05-2020, 09:45 PM)Roadman Wrote: but would you say altering the first line of address, rather than just removing traceable info on the label, is a much better approach?Doing this, will show the tracking number as delivered to an address (active or not) other than Its Intended destination, hence the company In question cannot Issue a refund for a package they did not (seemingly) receive.
The point of any tracking number, Irrespective of the carrier service, Is to confirm delivery from sender to receiver and vice-versa. As I've mentioned many times, Bob's FTID method Is flawed and contains too many Inconsistencies, of which the above Is one of them.
Another ridiculous point In his eBook, Is to always use "bubble wrap" to make It appear as though It's an advertisement. Why would anyone bubble wrap their advertising brochure? Anyone with common sense and certainly those who work In return centers, know that bubble wrap Is predominantly used for fragile goods, hence gives the Impression that the parcel contains exactly that- thereby may well and truly be checked on receipt.