(03-18-2013, 12:11 PM)zomgwtfbbq Wrote:

(03-18-2013, 01:59 AM)1llusion Wrote: Nice post except for 2 flaws:

1) Your religion does not approve of free information. Actually, when a certain Dutch artist released a little painting, a few people died in riots that this painting have caused. Iran blocked all Dutch import because of it etc. If you did actually believe in true freedom of information, you would leave this artist alone. You could disagree, but definitely not do riots nor block the import of goods. Generally, religion and freedom don't go hand in hand.

Dutch? I think you mean Danish. Some artist made a charicature of prophet muhammed and that caused riots. But yes I agree on all other things you wrote, religion is usually a bad thing. Not talking about islam alone(I've been several times in indonesia and the muslims were all extremely kind to me).

(03-18-2013, 04:03 PM)1llusion Wrote:

(03-18-2013, 12:11 PM)zomgwtfbbq Wrote:

(03-18-2013, 01:59 AM)1llusion Wrote: Nice post except for 2 flaws:

1) Your religion does not approve of free information. Actually, when a certain Dutch artist released a little painting, a few people died in riots that this painting have caused. Iran blocked all Dutch import because of it etc. If you did actually believe in true freedom of information, you would leave this artist alone. You could disagree, but definitely not do riots nor block the import of goods. Generally, religion and freedom don't go hand in hand.

Dutch? I think you mean Danish. Some artist made a charicature of prophet muhammed and that caused riots. But yes I agree on all other things you wrote, religion is usually a bad thing. Not talking about islam alone(I've been several times in indonesia and the muslims were all extremely kind to me).

Damn! A mistake in the Matrix! MUST.FIX.IT.NOW
Thanks for correcting me

(03-17-2013, 11:33 PM)LiveFaster Wrote: as a free thinker i disagreed with you in the whole religion thing but as well as u i do love crackers and hackers because liberate the information from the hands of greedy people.

(03-18-2013, 09:47 PM)Linuxephus Wrote:

(03-17-2013, 11:33 PM)LiveFaster Wrote: as a free thinker i disagreed with you in the whole religion thing but as well as u i do love crackers and hackers because liberate the information from the hands of greedy people.

Normally I wouldn't hesitate to put this on the frying pan so to speak.
However, yet again, these words have been diplomatically chosen with wisdom.
Which leaves me with this comment to sum it all up: It's good you don't believe in Religion because Religion is not what saves nor sanctifies.
God, and the Son Of God is how that is done, as it is written.

Regarding atheists and such like: Many have arguments and any given line of thought on why God cannot exist or why "we" don't believe in the existence of said God.
Fact of the matter is, when you get directly to the root of such an excuse, and that's an excuse, nothing more, nothing less, "we" find that God demands of us what "we" are not yet willing to give or freely let go of.
Thus suddenly, God becomes the scapegoat or mechanism of blame for failures that "we" individually choose of our own Freewill.
Which leads to "arguments" that hold no factual account except the denial of reality that leaves no refuge to hide with-in from what is written.
Now, on the very rare occasion that I happen upon an individual who offers no excuse or blame for their own shortcomings and/or failures who merely tells me, "I know, yet I choose to believe otherwise nonetheless.", that individual have I the utmost respect for based upon a common ground being established on what one Chooses to believes (yet Knows regardless) because they offer no excuses nor blame for their own faults.
And none are perfect.
Notice the context of LiveFaster's comment; "as a freethinker I believe...".
This leaves no excuse.
This makes no excuse.
Thus poses no empty, invalid argument.
This mere states "I Choose to believe this".
If we all had that kind of carefully considered common sense, truly all would indeed be equal based upon common ground established by a respect for all given choices of belief.

(03-18-2013, 11:09 PM)el3o9ab Wrote: Talking about sciences, and they are opposed to religion concept, so be a free open mind and watch this
Ps: they are hundreds video like this

(03-18-2013, 11:34 PM)Linuxephus Wrote:

(03-18-2013, 11:09 PM)el3o9ab Wrote: Talking about sciences, and they are opposed to religion concept, so be a free open mind and watch this
Ps: they are hundreds video like this

A thousand videos, a million videos, all contain the same argument for or against Religion, which regardless of nation, creed, or people, does not and never will negate what is written and verified by history and eye witness accounts recorded by that very history.
Regarding the Qur'an; indeed I do not nor will not dispute it's historical significance pertaining to Muhammad of the 6th Century A.D.
Even this Prophet of the Muslim faith preached very significant and similar teachings to what is written once upon a time in a book called the B[asic]I[nstruction]B[efore]L[eaving]E[arth].
In Muhammad's lifetime, he feared God, he obeyed God whom he referred to as Allah.
All that I know, all that I have learned, all that I teach finds no fault based upon the route Muhammad took in regards to God.
Why?
For one simple reason, he obeyed what is written, therefore what is written lived with-in him by virtue of living by the Law established therein.
But we digress from what you originally intended for this thread.

P.S.-Excellent video by the way.

(03-19-2013, 12:11 AM)el3o9ab Wrote: that's why i will post " why i love hackers (2) "

(03-18-2013, 09:47 PM)Linuxephus Wrote:

(03-17-2013, 11:33 PM)LiveFaster Wrote: as a free thinker i disagreed with you in the whole religion thing but as well as u i do love crackers and hackers because liberate the information from the hands of greedy people.

Normally I wouldn't hesitate to put this on the frying pan so to speak.
However, yet again, these words have been diplomatically chosen with wisdom.
Which leaves me with this comment to sum it all up: It's good you don't believe in Religion because Religion is not what saves nor sanctifies.
God, and the Son Of God is how that is done, as it is written.

Regarding atheists and such like: Many have arguments and any given line of thought on why God cannot exist or why "we" don't believe in the existence of said God.
Fact of the matter is, when you get directly to the root of such an excuse, and that's an excuse, nothing more, nothing less, "we" find that God demands of us what "we" are not yet willing to give or freely let go of.
Thus suddenly, God becomes the scapegoat or mechanism of blame for failures that "we" individually choose of our own Freewill.
Which leads to "arguments" that hold no factual account except the denial of reality that leaves no refuge to hide with-in from what is written.
Now, on the very rare occasion that I happen upon an individual who offers no excuse or blame for their own shortcomings and/or failures who merely tells me, "I know, yet I choose to believe otherwise nonetheless.", that individual have I the utmost respect for based upon a common ground being established on what one Chooses to believes (yet Knows regardless) because they offer no excuses nor blame for their own faults.
And none are perfect.
Notice the context of LiveFaster's comment; "as a freethinker I believe...".
This leaves no excuse.
This makes no excuse.
Thus poses no empty, invalid argument.
This mere states "I Choose to believe this".
If we all had that kind of carefully considered common sense, truly all would indeed be equal based upon common ground established by a respect for all given choices of belief.

(03-19-2013, 02:29 AM)LiveFaster Wrote: not making a excuse iam stating the default position which is atheism and I was given free will with which to choose if I will go to hell or not right?. How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences? That completely conflicts with the definition of free. If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter? Of course not. Free means to give or receive something with out an expectation of return. The whole free will concept is self defeating. Call it Circumstantial Will, for that is what it truly is.