(10-09-2022, 01:33 AM)mothered Wrote:

(10-08-2022, 05:38 PM)vasyleus Wrote:

(10-08-2022, 03:44 PM)mothered Wrote: That's a different story altogether.

The Insider Is responsible for the SE's success, not the so-called FTID.

If they're lucky enough to have Incompetent and brain-dead Individuals handling the shipment then yes, I agree It'll work.

As said In one article on my blog, I challenge anyone to use the so-called FTID on a handful of companies and their carrier partners of my choice, and I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that It will fail. No comments have been posted, of which their silence speaks a thousand words.

Well, this might prove not much, people who have some personal advanced method of FTID are able to pull those refunds on big orders and they might be not on the forum or nor interested  on showing off or willing to prove it just that someone would start believing in them.  As I mentioned before, my close and good friend has a guy who does all the refund stuff for 30%, since they are working for the past half year like that, that refund guy few times spilled some information about when doing it from Europe, "he uses the envelope which is never delivered to the actual return address". At that point i knew nothing about that, just thought , tried to deduct it myself - how it might be possible to deliver to the place where you have to and get the delivered status on the shipping, but at the same time deliver it elsewhere because he mentioned "that they will never find it".  So started searching internet, forums and when started noticing that there is a method called FTID and it  sounds something similar, it started to make sense what he meant. So there might only be a slight detail he does different from the basics that you can find in all those leaked FTID guides and that results in a successful refunds. (I can't tell how successful they are in total, but i'm sure that he did it 7 times for my friend and only once something went wrong since Amazon didn't wanted to issue the refund). So does the FTID still work? Maybe it depends on which Amazon you try to SE, maybe it depends to which country you order it, maybe there are some slight advances in the method, but yes, it is still viable. Also i forgot to mention that all orders were 5k euro or more.

I've made my points crystal clear.

I've written two In depth articles on my blog outlining It's flaws and Inconsistencies, both from a logistics and freight distribution standpoint. I suggest reading them to get an understanding of how companies and carriers operate, and why the so-called FTID Is destined to fail a lot more often than not.

(10-09-2022, 09:11 AM)vasyleus Wrote: Yes, i red them. Also I tried to get some more info from the people who works at, for example, UPS. Pretending I am frustrated customer and it looks like they know how these things happen and why some label editing might actually work. They are afraid to talk about it "because explaining how it works is mainly useful for scammers". Hence we might guess that the manual label editing is not as meaningless as we might thought. So I think that those, who can pull those refunds using FTID, they understand the principle of the label and how the courier company operates better.

(10-08-2022, 06:13 AM)ImprovingLizard Wrote:

(10-08-2022, 12:48 AM)nonerex Wrote:

(10-07-2022, 10:47 PM)ImprovingLizard Wrote: Each company is different in how they operate. And as such different methods need to be used for FTID. For me it has a high success rate, about 90% I'd say. Done around £30ks worth this year. Mainly designer clothes and Google.

Would you say this FTID method will work or is it too simple?
https://sinister.li/Thread-Tutorial-Simple-FTID-How-to-guide-Stop-paying

I wouldn't use that guide. Edit QR code too. Wouldn't use a basic envelope either. At least use a small box with something inside. I post a pack of biscuits but could be anything.

(10-08-2022, 12:41 PM)vasyleus Wrote:

(10-08-2022, 10:18 AM)mothered Wrote:

(10-08-2022, 07:03 AM)vasyleus Wrote: but the main question is "why delivery guy should deliver the package/envelope with a pre-made label based on what is written on the label instead of what the system  and scans state?"

^ Nailed It.

If we were still In the 60s, whereby drivers delivered packages purely based on what's written on the shipping label, then yes, the flawed FTID will work.

But the thing is that it is not some kinda myth, which mythbsuster should try out. I know people who makes a living from these in my country. Some use advanced methods with insiders, but i know those who do even the silly envelope FTID methods and still are able to pull huge refunds even nowadays. So that is why I started to question the FTID method and the rumours around him, cause it seems that it shouldn't work at all, especially now, when it is not only illogical, but also abused badly by everyone everywhere. Still there are examples of it working like a charm. So maybe there are some ways how you can use it in your favor.

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(10-08-2022, 06:13 AM)ImprovingLizard Wrote:

(10-08-2022, 12:48 AM)nonerex Wrote: Would you say this FTID method will work or is it too simple?
https://sinister.li/Thread-Tutorial-Simple-FTID-How-to-guide-Stop-paying

I wouldn't use that guide. Edit QR code too. Wouldn't use a basic envelope either. At least use a small box with something inside. I post a pack of biscuits but could be anything.

How would you explain the edited label logic? How you understand it?