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DNA and CCTV #1
Hello,

I would like to DNA a graphic card (around 2000 euros), there will be a signature request at the reception of the package. I will obviously make a fake one. But I have a small problem... Cameras have been installed in the lobby of my building and on each floor in front of the elevator... On the front door there is a sticker that indicates that the building is monitored but nowhere is there the contact of the company that takes care of it.
I know that there are fake cameras in some lobbies but I don't know if this is the case in my building.

So I have 4 questions:

1. Is there any way to know if they are real or fake cameras?

2. If they are real. Does ups or the company that delivers have the right to ask to see the recordings of the day of the delivery (knowing that they will have to call the condominium to be able to see access)?

3. If they have the right, will they do it (knowing that there are surely administrative steps behind it and that it would surely be a waste of time for them)?

4. And finally if they do, how can I avoid appearing on the registrations with the package and thus put all the chances on my side to succeed the SE?

Thanks in advance for your answers and sorry for all the questions but I really need to know Smile

(Im in a big city btw, not a little one)
(This post was last modified: 10-15-2022, 11:40 PM by Alz007.)

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RE: DNA and CCTV #2
Rather than going through the hassle of everything mentioned above, why not simply have the package delivered to another address?
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RE: DNA and CCTV #3
(10-16-2022, 03:04 AM)mothered Wrote: Rather than going through the hassle of everything mentioned above, why not simply have the package delivered to another address?

Sorry, but unfortunately I don't see how that would be possible... I think I'll have to go with what I mentioned before...
Small precision the entrance is not video monitored, it is only the entrance hall but it is still a problem... So what do you think about my questioning?
(This post was last modified: 10-16-2022, 09:33 AM by Alz007.)

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RE: DNA and CCTV #4
(10-16-2022, 09:32 AM)Alz007 Wrote: unfortunately I don't see how that would be possible.
You don't have any other residential address (without CCTV) or drop house to accept the delivery?

(10-16-2022, 09:32 AM)Alz007 Wrote: So what do you think about my questioning?
You won't know for sure whether the cameras are actively monitoring, or simply placed with signage as a deterrent.

In the event the cameras are up and running, you'd need to protect your Identity/physical appearance - wear a COVID mask, beanie, sunglasses etc to avoid being Identified In the footage. If the company/carrier takes It further, It won't matter - you're not the person In the footage.
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RE: DNA and CCTV #5
(10-16-2022, 10:05 AM)mothered Wrote:
(10-16-2022, 09:32 AM)Alz007 Wrote: unfortunately I don't see how that would be possible.
You don't have any other residential address (without CCTV) or drop house to accept the delivery?

(10-16-2022, 09:32 AM)Alz007 Wrote: So what do you think about my questioning?
You won't know for sure whether the cameras are actively monitoring, or simply placed with signage as a deterrent.

In the event the cameras are up and running, you'd need to protect your Identity/physical appearance - wear a COVID mask, beanie, sunglasses etc to avoid being Identified In the footage. If the company/carrier takes It further, It won't matter - you're not the person In the footage.

I have my parents' and also my girlfriend's address but they wouldn't accept to make a fake signature and I don't want to involved them in the SE so it's rather complicated. Otherwise I can put my old address which is not far from my current one and go wait for the delivery man there until he arrives. And when je arrives i tell him I made a mistake about the adresses. What do you think of this strategy?

(But I already made an order that I sent to my main address, won't it look suspicious to the reseller if I send a package to another address and it never arrives?)
(This post was last modified: 10-16-2022, 10:27 AM by Alz007.)

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RE: DNA and CCTV #6
(10-16-2022, 10:23 AM)Alz007 Wrote: I have my parents' and also my girlfriend's address but they wouldn't accept to make a fake signature and I don't want to involved them in the SE so it's rather complicated.
Agreed.

It will definitely complicate matters, which you'd want to avoid at all costs.

(10-16-2022, 10:23 AM)Alz007 Wrote: Otherwise I can put my old address which is not far from my current one and go wait for the delivery man there until he arrives. And when je arrives i tell him I made a mistake about the adresses. What do you think of this strategy?
Given you're DNA'ing It with a fake signature, why not accept the package without saying anything and leave It at that?

(10-16-2022, 10:23 AM)Alz007 Wrote: (But I already made an order that I sent to my main address, won't it look suspicious to the reseller if I send a package to another address and it never arrives?)
It's no fault of your own If It doesn't arrive.

You can have packages delivered wherever you like, hence It won't raise suspicion If It happens to get lost.
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RE: DNA and CCTV #7
(10-16-2022, 11:17 AM)mothered Wrote:
(10-16-2022, 10:23 AM)Alz007 Wrote: I have my parents' and also my girlfriend's address but they wouldn't accept to make a fake signature and I don't want to involved them in the SE so it's rather complicated.
Agreed.

It will definitely complicate matters, which you'd want to avoid at all costs.

(10-16-2022, 10:23 AM)Alz007 Wrote: Otherwise I can put my old address which is not far from my current one and go wait for the delivery man there until he arrives. And when je arrives i tell him I made a mistake about the adresses. What do you think of this strategy?
Given you're DNA'ing It with a fake signature, why not accept the package without saying anything and leave It at that?

(10-16-2022, 10:23 AM)Alz007 Wrote: (But I already made an order that I sent to my main address, won't it look suspicious to the reseller if I send a package to another address and it never arrives?)
It's no fault of your own If It doesn't arrive.

You can have packages delivered wherever you like, hence It won't raise suspicion If It happens to get lost.

Okay, thanks, id like to do that but do you think the delivery man won't ask me questions if he doesn't see my name on the building and if he sees me waiting outside for him to arrive?

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RE: DNA and CCTV #8
(10-16-2022, 11:39 AM)Alz007 Wrote: do you think the delivery man won't ask me questions if he doesn't see my name on the building and if he sees me waiting outside for him to arrive?
I highly doubt It.

You'll see him arriving from a distance, so act as though you're doing some gardening or cleaning up the front yard.
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RE: DNA and CCTV #9
(10-16-2022, 11:55 AM)mothered Wrote:
(10-16-2022, 11:39 AM)Alz007 Wrote: do you think the delivery man won't ask me questions if he doesn't see my name on the building and if he sees me waiting outside for him to arrive?
I highly doubt It.

You'll see him arriving from a distance, so act as though you're doing some gardening or cleaning up the front yard.

Okay, since there are quite a few people in the building I will pretend to fix my bike when it arrives.

And one more question, if a police report is requested (given the high value of the object), it won't be a problem that I had it delivered to another address than my main one (which I no longer live at)?

Won't that enter in conflict with my story and risk the SE failing with the seller (especially if thoses informations are written on the PR)?
(This post was last modified: 10-16-2022, 01:44 PM by Alz007.)

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RE: DNA and CCTV #10
(10-16-2022, 01:34 PM)Alz007 Wrote: if a police report is requested (given the high value of the object), it won't be a problem that I had it delivered to another address than my main one (which I no longer live at)?
It won't Impact the PR.

It's simply the delivery address (which can be any address you like), and will be listed as the address of loss on the police report.
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