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How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - wjts1_ - 08-02-2024
It might be more of a question of internet privacy/security, rather than SE.
As we all know, we should always use VPN, block cookies, maybe use different devices etc. in order to stay anonymous when SE'ing. However, I believe almost everyone pays with a Paypal/bank account/credit card created on their real identity. Doesn't it make it super easy to track a person doing fraud? Is it possible with law enforcement involvement only, or can they do it on their own??
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - HEIS - 08-02-2024
99% of such victim companies won't be wasting their resources on doing what law enforcement's job is.
Unless someone would be raping a company excesively I doubt any company would actually be filing any law suits against common se'rs.
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - EquitableEngineer - 08-02-2024
I agree with the above. Look at the Rekk case, the only reason that got as big as it did and as far as it did is because Amazon took it upon themselves to dedicate the resources to investigate the group and gather enough evidence to submit to LE to get a case started. The only reason they did that was because the loss from the single entity that was Rekk was large enough to justify that kind of action.
A lone refunder hitting a wide range of retailers for relatively small amounts flys way under the radar, its not worth it for any single company to allocate resources towards finding them even when its obvious tat SE has actually taken place which when done properly isn't even the case.
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - xxvii - 08-02-2024
Maybe a lift of best op sec is more useful
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - DontRunDontTrip - 08-03-2024
(08-02-2024, 04:04 PM)HEIS Wrote: 99% of such victim companies won't be wasting their resources on doing what law enforcement's job is.
Unless someone would be raping a company excesively I doubt any company would actually be filing any law suits against common se'rs.
In Germany, the company most of the time, are involving their in house or external lawyers
These lawyers are not fucking around and will track you down
Or they will just file a police report, with all the information. If you dont have a good OPSEC, its over.
Especially when the company realize, they have gotten a lot of refunds and seeing a pattern. Such as DNA etc.
OTTO, NBB and MindFactory are only a few examples
(08-02-2024, 01:59 PM)wjts1_ Wrote: It might be more of a question of internet privacy/security, rather than SE.
As we all know, we should always use VPN, block cookies, maybe use different devices etc. in order to stay anonymous when SE'ing. However, I believe almost everyone pays with a Paypal/bank account/credit card created on their real identity. Doesn't it make it super easy to track a person doing fraud? Is it possible with law enforcement involvement only, or can they do it on their own??
I always recommend gift cards or prepaid credit cards
If it doesnt go by plan and they are threatening you with law suits or whatever, they got nothing.
Obv, you need to have a good OPSEC!
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - xxvii - 08-03-2024
Howndo the gift cards work in this?
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - wjts1_ - 08-03-2024
(08-03-2024, 05:11 AM)xxvii Wrote: Howndo the gift cards work in this?
you just pay with a gift card duh
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - xxvii - 08-03-2024
How do you get them without connecting to your actual info, using good op sec
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - DontRunDontTrip - 08-03-2024
(08-03-2024, 01:49 PM)xxvii Wrote: How do you get them without connecting to your actual info, using good op sec
Buy in your local store, pay cash, redeem and done
RE: How hard is it for a retailer to track a refunder? - justlooking222 - 12-13-2024
This might be dumb but if you pay for a gift card, and your doing refunds, won't the refund just go back into the gift card for that specific store? Unless your using a visa gift card then you can use them anywhere if thats what your saying.,