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question about sealed box method - DaturaEnjoyer - 07-02-2023
Hello, I've spent the past couple weeks lurking here, researching various refunding methods and applying them. All I've done so far was the DNA and empty box method a few times.
I'm about to test FTIDv3 with a $40 lamp, and I'm combining it with the sealed box method. My plan is as follows:
1. get a shipping label
2. change the address of the shipping label to a random business near the store
3. fill the original product box with pebbles, to match the correct weight
4. send out the box with the ftid
Question: Why do people use dry ice rather than sand, or pebbles, or fake phones/laptops?
RE: question about sealed box method - DaturaEnjoyer - 07-02-2023
Alright, figured out the answer to my own question - dry ice allows you to claim lost in transit
RE: question about sealed box method - FortuneCookie4 - 07-02-2023
(07-02-2023, 07:23 AM)DaturaEnjoyer Wrote: Alright, figured out the answer to my own question - dry ice allows you to claim lost in transit
Not really.
LIT is done with disappearing ink or label itself.
Dryice is to make it look like somebody stole the item from the box.
RE: question about sealed box method - EUCommunity - 07-02-2023
Its a $40 lamp at the end of the day. Most companies have bigger fish to fry to get a move on.
RE: question about sealed box method - Nebber - 07-13-2023
(07-02-2023, 10:31 AM)FortuneCookie4 Wrote:(07-02-2023, 07:23 AM)DaturaEnjoyer Wrote: Alright, figured out the answer to my own question - dry ice allows you to claim lost in transit
Not really.
LIT is done with disappearing ink or label itself.
Dryice is to make it look like somebody stole the item from the box.
So you’d return to the correct address so you had a record of that and write the address in disappearing ink?
RE: question about sealed box method - FortuneCookie4 - 07-13-2023
(07-13-2023, 12:27 PM)Nebber Wrote:(07-02-2023, 10:31 AM)FortuneCookie4 Wrote:(07-02-2023, 07:23 AM)DaturaEnjoyer Wrote: Alright, figured out the answer to my own question - dry ice allows you to claim lost in transit
Not really.
LIT is done with disappearing ink or label itself.
Dryice is to make it look like somebody stole the item from the box.
So you’d return to the correct address so you had a record of that and write the address in disappearing ink?
You would have to print the label in disappearing ink as they need to scan it. It is not the 1950s anymore.
And if the address disappeared as intended, what it was wouldn't matter. A wrong address could, with slim chance, convert a failing LIT to a FTID3, in the event the ink not disappeared quick enough.
But there's more chance that the ink disappeared at the wrong time hence get relabelled or the carrier simply following the system address instead of one printed on the label.
RE: question about sealed box method - Fagottino89 - 07-13-2023
(07-02-2023, 04:51 AM)DaturaEnjoyer Wrote: Hello, I've spent the past couple weeks lurking here, researching various refunding methods and applying them. All I've done so far was the DNA and empty box method a few times.
I'm about to test FTIDv3 with a $40 lamp, and I'm combining it with the sealed box method. My plan is as follows:
1. get a shipping label
2. change the address of the shipping label to a random business near the store
3. fill the original product box with pebbles, to match the correct weight
4. send out the box with the ftid
Question: Why do people use dry ice rather than sand, or pebbles, or fake phones/laptops?
It all comes to what is the boxing method: sending something that once get there seems that was opened and stolen on the way. With dry ice, due to its sublimation it can look that you sent a box of 2kg (it’s an example) but once arrived it is very light as the dry ice disappeared. So you can then say that you indeed sent the real thing back, but for someone else’s fault it did not get there. If you send sand, or a brick instead l, what do you think if you would receive something like this? Do you think someone that works in the logistics of the delivery, one day went to work with a brick in his pocket weighting the exact weight of your box?
So that’s why, if it’s light you can send an empty box as the weight won’t really be recorded; instead if it is heavy you should use dry ice
RE: question about sealed box method - Nebber - 07-13-2023
(07-13-2023, 01:28 PM)FortuneCookie4 Wrote:(07-13-2023, 12:27 PM)Nebber Wrote:(07-02-2023, 10:31 AM)FortuneCookie4 Wrote: Not really.
LIT is done with disappearing ink or label itself.
Dryice is to make it look like somebody stole the item from the box.
So you’d return to the correct address so you had a record of that and write the address in disappearing ink?
You would have to print the label in disappearing ink as they need to scan it. It is not the 1950s anymore.
And if the address disappeared as intended, what it was wouldn't matter. A wrong address could, with slim chance, convert a failing LIT to a FTID3, in the event the ink not disappeared quick enough.
But there's more chance that the ink disappeared at the wrong time hence get relabelled or the carrier simply following the system address instead of one printed on the label.
Alright thanks, I get you. So more or less not worth trying unless I’m able to use my own printer? Would of course test how long the ink takes to disappear first but just looking for the best method to stick too right now. Had a failed Amazon macbook refund recently when I returned the incorrect item so need to sort it out.
RE: question about sealed box method - FortuneCookie4 - 07-13-2023
(07-13-2023, 04:02 PM)Nebber Wrote:(07-13-2023, 01:28 PM)FortuneCookie4 Wrote:(07-13-2023, 12:27 PM)Nebber Wrote: So you’d return to the correct address so you had a record of that and write the address in disappearing ink?
You would have to print the label in disappearing ink as they need to scan it. It is not the 1950s anymore.
And if the address disappeared as intended, what it was wouldn't matter. A wrong address could, with slim chance, convert a failing LIT to a FTID3, in the event the ink not disappeared quick enough.
But there's more chance that the ink disappeared at the wrong time hence get relabelled or the carrier simply following the system address instead of one printed on the label.
Alright thanks, I get you. So more or less not worth trying unless I’m able to use my own printer? Would of course test how long the ink takes to disappear first but just looking for the best method to stick too right now. Had a failed Amazon macbook refund recently when I returned the incorrect item so need to sort it out.
It is a tricky one as it requires upfront cost and some trial runs to figure out how long it takes for the ink to disappear and time it with that particular carrier so they missed the relabelled window (e.g. once it is loaded onto the truck, not at the sorting plant) . Even when it is perfectly execute, there are still many variables we can't account for. And some retailers just downright refused to entertain LIT (amz do though).
Unless you are going to do many LITs, perhaps it is better to pay a reputable boxer to do it. In the short run it is cheaper and more reliable.
RE: question about sealed box method - Nebber - 07-13-2023
(07-13-2023, 06:47 PM)FortuneCookie4 Wrote:(07-13-2023, 04:02 PM)Nebber Wrote:(07-13-2023, 01:28 PM)FortuneCookie4 Wrote: You would have to print the label in disappearing ink as they need to scan it. It is not the 1950s anymore.
And if the address disappeared as intended, what it was wouldn't matter. A wrong address could, with slim chance, convert a failing LIT to a FTID3, in the event the ink not disappeared quick enough.
But there's more chance that the ink disappeared at the wrong time hence get relabelled or the carrier simply following the system address instead of one printed on the label.
Alright thanks, I get you. So more or less not worth trying unless I’m able to use my own printer? Would of course test how long the ink takes to disappear first but just looking for the best method to stick too right now. Had a failed Amazon macbook refund recently when I returned the incorrect item so need to sort it out.
It is a tricky one as it requires upfront cost and some trial runs to figure out how long it takes for the ink to disappear and time it with that particular carrier so they missed the relabelled window (e.g. once it is loaded onto the truck, not at the sorting plant) . Even when it is perfectly execute, there are still many variables we can't account for. And some retailers just downright refused to entertain LIT (amz do though).
Unless you are going to do many LITs, perhaps it is better to pay a reputable boxer to do it. In the short run it is cheaper and more reliable.
Yeah I hear you, appreciate the help thank you. Want to try this a bit more regularly so gonna give the dry ice method a try for now