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Israel crush: 45 Dead - Jiggly - 04-30-2021
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At the Lag B'Omer religious festival in Israel on Thursday, 45 were killed in a massive crush of people that occurred along a narrow path. Thousands of people turned out for the biggest gathering in Israel since the beginning of the pandemic. The narrow path was so packed that when a few people tripped and fell, it resulted in a wave of people being forcefully swept along and crushed. Children were also present and hurt.
Witnesses described some really harrowing scenes:
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A man who gave his name as David said he was going in to see the bonfire lighting when "suddenly there was a wave coming out".
"Our bodies were swept along by themselves. People were thrown up in the air - others were crushed on the ground," he told Ynet news.
"There was a kid there who kept pinching my leg, fighting for his life. We waited to be rescued for 15-20 minutes in this crazy, terrible crush. It was awful."
One survivor who was taken to hospital told the Kan public broadcaster that "no-one knew what to do".
"It started with heavy crowding. There was a lot of people on top of me. I was lying on someone else who wasn't breathing. There were screams, chaos. I saw children underneath me. The only thing going through my mind was that I didn't want my child to be an orphan."
A pilgrim who gave his name as Yitzhak told Channel 12 TV: "We thought maybe there was a (bomb) alert over a suspicious package. No one imagined that this could happen here. Rejoicing became mourning, a great light became a deep darkness."
One pilgrim who did not give his name said there was a "carousel" effect and people were pushed right and left.
"After 20 minutes I think people started suffocating so they wanted to get out, but no-one was able to get out. There were people under me who were not breathing anymore. There were horrible screams of 'I can't breathe'."
He said the screams slowly stopped and the scene was "chaos".
Another eyewitness told Maariv: "We were at the entrance, we decided we wanted to get out and then the police blocked the gate, so whoever wanted to get out could not get out. In that hurry we fell on each other, I thought I was going to die.
"I saw people dead next to me."Source
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - Oni - 04-30-2021
It feels like someone should be charged with murder, but they're all collectively responsible.
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - Jiggly - 04-30-2021
(04-30-2021, 05:43 PM)Oni Wrote: It feels like someone should be charged with murder, but they're all collectively responsible.
I supposed it's just a massive tragedy. Apparently officials were also describing how they couldn't enforce covid rules due to the sheer mass of people. However, the numbers were lower than they would have been in a non-pandemic year.
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - mothered - 05-01-2021
(04-30-2021, 05:43 PM)Oni Wrote: It feels like someone should be charged with murder, but they're all collectively responsible.It wasn't Intentional, but rather an unfortunate accident, so It'll be pretty difficult for anyone to stand trial for murder.
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - Jiggly - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 05:02 AM)mothered Wrote:(04-30-2021, 05:43 PM)Oni Wrote: It feels like someone should be charged with murder, but they're all collectively responsible.It wasn't Intentional, but rather an unfortunate accident, so It'll be pretty difficult for anyone to stand trial for murder.
I think officials have said they're treating it as a tragedy. It is difficult to pin this on any one person, as the fault doesn't lie with any one singular person. I can't see how anyone being charged would help solve anything, either. I think they just need to seriously think about how the event is organised to prevent dangerous flows of people from crushing each other. There's actually a fair amount of research into crowding, especially in relation to people getting to emergency exits/in times of crisis.
If you like to read about research studies, I've linked it below:
Research into Crowd behaviour during high-stress evacuations
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - mothered - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 08:13 AM)Jiggly Wrote: I can't see how anyone being charged would help solve anything, either.The only thing I can see of benefit, Is that It'll possibly set a precedent for how future Incidents of similar nature will be dealt with.
As such, It may serve as a deterrent to would-be offenders.
(05-01-2021, 08:13 AM)Jiggly Wrote: If you like to read about research studies, I've linked it below:Much appreciated.
Research into Crowd behaviour during high-stress evacuations
I plan to read It over dinner with me, myself, and I.
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - Jiggly - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 10:07 AM)mothered Wrote:(05-01-2021, 08:13 AM)Jiggly Wrote: I can't see how anyone being charged would help solve anything, either.The only thing I can see of benefit, Is that It'll possibly set a precedent for how future Incidents of similar nature will be dealt with.
As such, It may serve as a deterrent to would-be offenders.
(05-01-2021, 08:13 AM)Jiggly Wrote: If you like to read about research studies, I've linked it below:Much appreciated.
Research into Crowd behaviour during high-stress evacuations
I plan to read It over dinner with me, myself, and I.
A deterrent is a good point. Although, as it's a religious festival, I imagine they would need to tread very carefully no matter what they ultimately decide to do.
Not something I would consider a dinner-time read, but hey, why not? xD
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - CaesarHTTP - 05-01-2021
Very bad news, My condolences .
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - d4ggm4sk - 05-01-2021
Was this a terrorist attack?
RE: Israel crush: 45 Dead - mothered - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 11:48 AM)Jiggly Wrote: Not something I would consider a dinner-time read, but hey, why not? xDMany years ago, I actually watched The Human Centipede on a Friday pizza night, so your source Is mild compared to that.