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Suspicious? - CeeJones7 - 03-05-2021
This question is primarily toward Amazon, but my friend is really wanting to know in general for others as well . .
So let’s assume she attempts the partial method on an iPhone 12 Pro. She says, “ I was really looking forward to receiving my new phone, but I only received an empty box” or “I never got it”. How is it that someone goes for this to getting a refund? Even if Amazon or whomever she purchases from actually believe this, wouldn’t they only reship the item and not refund it?
I personally believe that it would look suspicious for the representative to say that something happened to the item and then directly after you just say, “well, don’t re-ship me the item, just give me the money back” on this item that was desired so eagerly. Is she missing something in the equation?
Wouldn’t the phone somehow be tagged as being lost or stolen and then it not be a good idea for her to put it in service with her carrier?
RE: Suspicious? - docvd - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 01:43 PM)CeeJones7 Wrote: This question is primarily toward Amazon, but my friend is really wanting to know in general for others as well . .
So let’s assume she attempts the partial method on an iPhone 12 Pro. She says, “ I was really looking forward to receiving my new phone, but I only received an empty box” or “I never got it”. How is it that someone goes for this to getting a refund? Even if Amazon or whomever she purchases from actually believe this, wouldn’t they only reship the item and not refund it?
I personally believe that it would look suspicious for the representative to say that something happened to the item and then directly after you just say, “well, don’t re-ship me the item, just give me the money back” on this item that was desired so eagerly. Is she missing something in the equation?
Wouldn’t the phone somehow be tagged as being lost or stolen and then it not be a good idea for her to put it in service with her carrier?
I think amazon would ask if they should reship it and then she could tell them, that she needs the phone by tomorrow and would prefer to get the money back, so she can purchase it from a local store. And if they instist on reshipping (but that will not happen) just return the reship.
The phone wont be tagged and the IMEI wont be blocked. Amazon cant do that. Only the manufacturer can, but not the retailer.
RE: Suspicious? - mothered - 03-06-2021
Quote:I personally believe that it would look suspicious for the representative to say that something happened to the item and then directly after you just say, “well, don’t re-ship me the item, just give me the money back” on this item that was desired so eagerly.It's not "what" you say, but "how" you say It. The above demonstrates signs of desperation.
Simply say you won't be around to accept the replacement Item, hence would appreciate a refund.
Excuses you can use Include (but not limited to):
- Away for a few weeks due to work commitments.
- Call for jury duty and required to remain Isolated as Instructed by the courts.
- In the process of moving house, thus cannot commit to a scheduled delivery time & day.
- Booked In for surgery as an Inpatient.
There are countless reasons you can use.
RE: Suspicious? - Swimming Bird - 03-06-2021
(03-06-2021, 03:07 AM)mothered Wrote:Quote:I personally believe that it would look suspicious for the representative to say that something happened to the item and then directly after you just say, “well, don’t re-ship me the item, just give me the money back” on this item that was desired so eagerly.It's not "what" you say, but "how" you say It. The above demonstrates signs of desperation.
Simply say you won't be around to accept the replacement Item, hence would appreciate a refund.
Excuses you can use Include (but not limited to):
- Away for a few weeks due to work commitments.
- Call for jury duty and required to remain Isolated as Instructed by the courts.
- In the process of moving house, thus cannot commit to a scheduled delivery time & day.
- Booked In for surgery as an Inpatient.
There are countless reasons you can use.
I'd recommend options that have more plausible deniability in case you're ever caught. Not that you would be, but some of these options would have documentation associated with them.
RE: Suspicious? - mothered - 03-06-2021
(03-06-2021, 09:18 AM)Swimming Bird Wrote: I'd recommend options that have more plausible deniability in case you're ever caught. Not that you would be, but some of these options would have documentation associated with them.I've yet to be asked for verification In 3 decades of social engineering.
When claiming you're simply unavailable to accept a delivery, It's not worth the manpower and administration costs to write up documents to request and disclose Information that's compliant with the applicable law.
A refund Is a much cheaper, cost-effective and better option.
RE: Suspicious? - db8803 - 03-06-2021
Even if they reship the item, it's the same as a refund. Because when you get it, simply use the online return center and return the second item for a refund.