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Easy Sites to SE? - H3RR3S - 06-06-2020
Which sites are easy to SE with the DNA or empty box method?
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - mothered - 06-06-2020
In terms of the DNA, due to the COVID-19 situation, the majority of carriers are not accepting signatures, so It's the "carrier" you should be focusing on.
Pertaining to the missing Item method, try and avoid Argos- they have CCTV cameras In their warehouse and are very difficult to deal with. Any other company can be SEd quite easily.
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - Filament - 06-06-2020
(06-06-2020, 03:01 AM)Malcom Wrote: Which sites are easy to SE with the DNA or empty box method?
Empty box works best with small, light items, irregardless of company as it's more pertinent to the courier.
With DNA, really any company that doesn't explicitly say in their terms and conditions that the risk of loss is handed to you upon the package leaving their warehouse.
Honestly, most companies are SE'able if you just plan out the SE well.
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - mothered - 06-07-2020
(06-06-2020, 09:37 AM)Filament Wrote: Empty box works best with small, light items, irregardless of company as it's more pertinent to the courier.^
With DNA, really any company that doesn't explicitly say in their terms and conditions that the risk of loss is handed to you upon the package leaving their warehouse.
Sound advice.
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - zorrophreak - 06-08-2020
The magic of DNA and empty box is that any company without provisions for it has to fulfill your request, so long as it is reasonably genuine. Most online retailers will go for it as long as you have a bit of a reputation with them, or just word your request well enough.
(06-06-2020, 03:52 AM)mothered Wrote: Pertaining to the missing Item method, try and avoid Argos- they have CCTV cameras In their warehouse and are very difficult to deal with. Any other company can be SEd quite easily.
In the US Argos is a cement/concrete company so I was really confused for a bit.
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - mothered - 06-08-2020
(06-08-2020, 05:17 AM)zorrophreak Wrote: The magic of DNA and empty box is that any company without provisions for it has to fulfill your request, so long as it is reasonably genuine. Most online retailers will go for it as long as you have a bit of a reputation with them, or just word your request well enough.Apologies, I should've been more specific.
(06-06-2020, 03:52 AM)mothered Wrote: Pertaining to the missing Item method, try and avoid Argos- they have CCTV cameras In their warehouse and are very difficult to deal with. Any other company can be SEd quite easily.
In the US Argos is a cement/concrete company so I was really confused for a bit.
I'm referring to this.
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - Crimin4L - 06-08-2020
(06-06-2020, 09:37 AM)Filament Wrote:(06-06-2020, 03:01 AM)Malcom Wrote: Which sites are easy to SE with the DNA or empty box method?
Empty box works best with small, light items, irregardless of company as it's more pertinent to the courier.
With DNA, really any company that doesn't explicitly say in their terms and conditions that the risk of loss is handed to you upon the package leaving their warehouse.
Honestly, most companies are SE'able if you just plan out the SE well.
In USA seller is held fully responsible if buyer didn't receive their package by federal law, no matter the terms. So DNA is perfect scenario as long as they do not require signature.
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - Filament - 06-08-2020
(06-08-2020, 06:02 AM)Crimin4L Wrote:Really? If you digitally check that you agree to their terms and conditions, and their terms specifically state they are not responsible for loss/damage of the package, you're saying by law they are still fully responsible? That just doesn't sound right. Can you show me where this is stated? I don't mean to doubt you, just that it doesn't seem right to me.(06-06-2020, 09:37 AM)Filament Wrote:(06-06-2020, 03:01 AM)Malcom Wrote: Which sites are easy to SE with the DNA or empty box method?
Empty box works best with small, light items, irregardless of company as it's more pertinent to the courier.
With DNA, really any company that doesn't explicitly say in their terms and conditions that the risk of loss is handed to you upon the package leaving their warehouse.
Honestly, most companies are SE'able if you just plan out the SE well.
In USA seller is held fully responsible if buyer didn't receive their package by federal law, no matter the terms. So DNA is perfect scenario as long as they do not require signature.
Edit:
I think you may be mistaken, unless I'm really misunderstanding this.
Pursuant to 48 CFR 2.101 (Title 48, Federal Acquisition Regulations System; Chapter 1, Federal Acquisition Regulation; Subchapter A, General; Part 2, Definitions of Words and Terms; Subpart 2.1, Definitions),
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F.o.b. means free on board. This term is used in conjunction with a physical point to determine -
(1) The responsibility and basis for payment of freight charges; and
(2) Unless otherwise agreed, the point where title for goods passes to the buyer or consignee.
F.o.b. origin means free on board at origin; i.e., the seller or consignor places the goods on the conveyance. Unless the contract provides otherwise, the buyer or consignee is responsible for the cost of shipping and risk of loss. For use in the clause at 52.247-29, see the definition at 52.247-29(a).
"""
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/48/2.101
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/48/52.247-29
Here is Origin PC's terms and conditions as an example:
"Shipping and Risk:
Title and risk of loss to all products will pass to customer upon shipment from ORIGIN PC’s shipping location, to the extent permitted by law."
Here is iBuyPower's terms and conditions:
"Shipping Dispute: Title and Risk of Loss
iBUYPOWER will arrange for shipment of ordered product(s) to the Customer, Free On Board (F.O.B.) shipping point, meaning title to the product(s) – except software – and risk of loss passes to the
Customer upon delivery to the carrier. "
By law, the buyer or consignee legally owns and is responsible for the cost of shipping and risk of loss immediately upon the product leaving the warehouse for both of the above companies.
I've not studied law and English is not my first language, so I may be totally misinterpreting this. But I'm pretty sure checking that you agree to the terms makes you liable to their terms and conditions.
RE: Easy Sites to SE? - mothered - 06-08-2020
Quote:In USA seller is held fully responsible if buyer didn't receive their package by federal law, no matter the terms.When goods are In a given company's hands, (where stated) their very own terms deem whether they, the seller or the buyer, Is responsible for loss of goods/packages during transit.
Terms & conditions set a contract foundation between everyone Involved.