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Ledger SE - Johnngnky - 06-05-2020
Hi all,
Has anyone tried SEing a ledger wallet? They have some good (but pricey) wallets. They seem small and lightweight enough to box.
I'm looking to start going hardware now, does anyone have any wallets to recommend? Preferably easy to SE for a relatively beginner like me.
Thanks,
johnngnky
RE: Ledger SE - Filament - 06-05-2020
I see this in their terms and conditions:
Risk of loss and damage to the Products will transfer to you upon delivery.
I'm not sure if that means upon receiving the order or upon handing off to courier.
DNA is a maybe. If you see a weight on the package label, or on the tracking number, I don't think empty box will work.
Advanced replacement with a drop or boxing/FTID them may be best options.
Edit:
Sorry, I was totally thinking in refund mode, not SE mode.
For SE, boxing/FTID will work if they ask for the item back.
Convincing them you have corona might work for not having to return it lol
Getting a photo with the wallet with some kind of issue may be difficult though, if they ask for proof for why you want replacement. (Totally thought it was a normal physical wallet lol)
Definitely light enough to box for sure though.
ARTICLE 7 - WARRANTIES
Except as expressly provided in these TC’s, Ledger, as a manufacturer, makes no specific commitment regarding the Products. For instance, we make no commitment regarding the specific features available through the Products, their reliability, availability or suitability to your needs. We provide our products "as is".
However, customers having the status of consumer in their own country may benefit from local legal warranty rights.
For instance, clients located in France and having the status of consumer (that is to say any natural person acting for purposes which are outside the scope of its commercial, industrial, artisanal, liberal or agricultural activity) can benefit from the seller's legal warranty against non-conformity in accordance with articles L.217-4 et seq. of the French Consumer Code and the legal warranty of the seller against hidden defects in accordance with articles 1641 et seq. of the French Civil Code. Concerning the legal guarantee of conformity, the consumer must act within a period of two years from the delivery of the Product. He may choose between repairing or replacing the Product subject to the cost conditions provided for in article L.217-9 of the French Consumer Code. He is exempted from proving the non-conformity of the Product at the time of delivery within the twenty-four (24) months that follows the delivery of the Product. This guarantee applies regardless of any other commercial warranty. The Client may also decide to implement the guarantee against the hidden defects of the Product as provided for in Article 1641 of the French Civil Code and he can choose between the cancellation of the sale and a reduction of the sale price in accordance with Article 1644 of the French Civil Code. A good is considered to be non-compliant either when it is not appropriate for the use normally expected of a similar good and does not correspond to the description given by the seller and does not possess the qualities the latter has presented to the purchaser from a sample or a model or does not have the qualities which a consumer can legitimately expect in view of the public declarations made by the seller, the manufacturer or his representative, through advertising or labelling, or where it does not have the characteristics defined by mutual agreement by the parties or is not specific to the special use sought by the consumer and brought to the attention of the seller, and accepted by the latter. The guarantee of conformity is excluded if the consumer became aware of the defect at the time of contracting or when he could not ignore this defect at the time of contracting or when Ledger proves that the lack of conformity did not exist at the time of delivery of the product. A hidden defect means a non-apparent defect of the Product, making it unsuitable for its intended use or which so diminishes that use that the Customer would not have acquired it or would have given it a lower price, if he had known it. The action resulting from hidden defects must be brought within two years after the discovery of defect.
Warranty is highly dependent on your country it seems like.
However, note that they have this probably just to cover their asses. If you contact their support team, they may be more than willing to help.
I found one of the founders on Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/user/murzika/
You can do your own research on how it seems like they cover replacements. It seems like they're more than willing to exchange broken units irregardless of country.
RE: Ledger SE - mothered - 06-06-2020
Quote:They seem small and lightweight enough to box.What's the "exact" weight of the Item?
RE: Ledger SE - Johnngnky - 06-06-2020
(06-06-2020, 04:15 AM)mothered Wrote:Quote:They seem small and lightweight enough to box.What's the "exact" weight of the Item?
Nano X
Dimensions & weight
Size: 72mm x 18.6mm x 11.75mm
Weight: 34g
Nano S
Dimensions & weight
Size: 56.95mm x 17.4mm x 9.1mm
Weight: 16.2g
RE: Ledger SE - mothered - 06-06-2020
(06-06-2020, 06:05 AM)Johnngnky Wrote:Thanks for the In depth details.(06-06-2020, 04:15 AM)mothered Wrote:Quote:They seem small and lightweight enough to box.What's the "exact" weight of the Item?
Nano X
Dimensions & weight
Size: 72mm x 18.6mm x 11.75mm
Weight: 34g
Nano S
Dimensions & weight
Size: 56.95mm x 17.4mm x 9.1mm
Weight: 16.2g
They're both perfect to box without the need for a weight substitute.
RE: Ledger SE - Johnngnky - 06-06-2020
(06-06-2020, 06:11 AM)mothered Wrote:(06-06-2020, 06:05 AM)Johnngnky Wrote:Thanks for the In depth details.(06-06-2020, 04:15 AM)mothered Wrote: What's the "exact" weight of the Item?
Nano X
Dimensions & weight
Size: 72mm x 18.6mm x 11.75mm
Weight: 34g
Nano S
Dimensions & weight
Size: 56.95mm x 17.4mm x 9.1mm
Weight: 16.2g
They're both perfect to box without the need for a weight substitute.
They are on the official site, I didn't do any research.
But thanks for the validation. Has anyone tried it yet? Since I'm a bit reluctant to be the first.
If not, has anyone tried any other wallet?
RE: Ledger SE - mothered - 06-06-2020
(06-06-2020, 06:24 AM)Johnngnky Wrote: They are on the official site, I didn't do any research.Fair enough. During my previous post, I was Inundated with tasks and didn't even have time to simply navigate to their site.
If your Intention Is to box them, I suggest researching their terms to establish whether "they are responsible" for loss of goods during transit.
RE: Ledger SE - Filament - 06-06-2020
(06-06-2020, 06:24 AM)Johnngnky Wrote:(06-06-2020, 06:11 AM)mothered Wrote:(06-06-2020, 06:05 AM)Johnngnky Wrote: Nano XThanks for the In depth details.
Dimensions & weight
Size: 72mm x 18.6mm x 11.75mm
Weight: 34g
Nano S
Dimensions & weight
Size: 56.95mm x 17.4mm x 9.1mm
Weight: 16.2g
They're both perfect to box without the need for a weight substitute.
They are on the official site, I didn't do any research.
But thanks for the validation. Has anyone tried it yet? Since I'm a bit reluctant to be the first.
If not, has anyone tried any other wallet?
On the other hand, I personally love trying companies that aren't raped yet! I did JBL a couple times because nobody else really went at it - so it was honestly super easy. This was a few years ago though. Being the first isn't necessarily a bad thing. IF it fails, it's not a big issue. Change all the details you can and you can try again knowing more details. Especially with SE (over refunding), being one of the first is a good thing, in my opinion.
RE: Ledger SE - mothered - 06-06-2020
(06-06-2020, 10:05 AM)Filament Wrote: IF it fails, it's not a big issue.This ^
Take the positive out of the negative- you'll know precisely what to do the next time around.
RE: Ledger SE - bi0hazard02 - 06-07-2020
I just got a ledger from amazon with the DNA method.