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Code of Ethics? - critikal17 - 01-16-2020
If you are someone who does SE on a regular basis, do you have a code of ethics which you subscribe by? I used to have no issue exploiting companies, big or small, but as of late I've been doing much more research into each company which I target.
Personally, I have no problem exploiting warranties or the likes from large companies that rely on the cheap labor of others to profit, like Amazon, etc. However, small companies or self-run ones have become of no interest to me, as I feel sympathy for the few employees there that are trying their hardest.
Do you have a code of ethics that you use when performing SE? Or do you love manipulating people so much that you will target anyone and anything?
I'm not here to pass judgement, just genuinely curious about what goes on in the minds of other SE'rs.
RE: Code of Ethics? - C8Stingray - 01-16-2020
Nothing hard and fast but similar to what you said. Having started a small business before and weathered the hardships, I dislike it when people try to take advantage of small and morally good companies. I also wonder whenever I've done food delivery services DNA to get a refund if that effects the driver. I really hope it doesn't but it's nice getting discounted food.
I completely agree with the sentiment of large companies however. They get enough tax breaks and profit they don't distribute their wealth evenly. No shame there haha. Interesting thread.
RE: Code of Ethics? - critikal17 - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 02:37 AM)C8Stingray Wrote: Nothing hard and fast but similar to what you said. Having started a small business before and weathered the hardships, I dislike it when people try to take advantage of small and morally good companies. I also wonder whenever I've done food delivery services DNA to get a refund if that effects the driver. I really hope it doesn't but it's nice getting discounted food.
I completely agree with the sentiment of large companies however. They get enough tax breaks and profit they don't distribute their wealth evenly. No shame there haha. Interesting thread.
Drivers who fail to deliver food will be given only a fraction if any of the money from the order. I personally avoid using DNA on food delivery for that reason, but again, not here to judge.
I find that, although often it does not result in a full refund without a lot of convincing, complaining about the quality of food usually yields high discounts and the loss falls on the restaurant in that case, which for fast food places etc. doesnt exactly make me feel very bad haha.
RE: Code of Ethics? - mothered - 01-16-2020
I never target (and never will), Individual sellers on a personal level.
That's simply disgraceful.
RE: Code of Ethics? - critikal17 - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 05:01 AM)mothered Wrote: I never target (and never will), Individual sellers on a personal level.
That's simply disgraceful.
Glad to see someone agrees. As someone who has done their own work, I can't imagine how it must feel to barely be scraping by and still have people targeting you for scams. Again, companies with questionable ethics themselves are some of my favorite targets, specifically those that rely on cheap labor, or sweatshops, or who evade taxes, etc.
RE: Code of Ethics? - mothered - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 05:11 AM)critikal17 Wrote: As someone who has done their own work, I can't imagine how it must feel to barely be scraping by and still have people targeting you for scams.Absolutely agree.
Just like you and I, they too need to put food on the table and to target such Individuals, Is appalling to say the least.
(01-16-2020, 05:11 AM)critikal17 Wrote: Again, companies with questionable ethics themselves are some of my favorite targets, specifically those that rely on cheap laborDefinitely.
The majority are taking advantage of their workers, by paying under the award (minimum) wage. I have no hesitation In SEing entities of this nature.
RE: Code of Ethics? - critikal17 - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 05:37 AM)mothered Wrote: The majority are taking advantage of their workers.
I've heard horror stories of the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. There is a documented case of a worker dying of exhaustion in the warehouse, suffering a seizure, and being left on the floor while the other workers were forced to step around him and continue their tasks for the day.
Furthermore, though I'm not entirely sure if this is accurate, I heard on an HBO talk show and from a friend who used to work at the warehouse near me, that bathroom breaks were regulated, and your progress is tightly scored, meaning sometimes people would urinate in bottles to maintain their pace of work so as to not have their score lowered and their wages dropped subsequently.
I have no remorse when exploiting companies that partake in these practices.
RE: Code of Ethics? - mothered - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 05:49 AM)critikal17 Wrote:(01-16-2020, 05:37 AM)mothered Wrote: The majority are taking advantage of their workers.
I've heard horror stories of the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. There is a documented case of a worker dying of exhaustion in the warehouse, suffering a seizure, and being left on the floor while the other workers were forced to step around him and continue their tasks for the day.
Furthermore, though I'm not entirely sure if this is accurate, I heard on an HBO talk show and from a friend who used to work at the warehouse near me, that bathroom breaks were regulated, and your progress is tightly scored, meaning sometimes people would urinate in bottles to maintain their pace of work so as to not have their score lowered and their wages dropped subsequently.
I have no remorse when exploiting companies that partake in these practices.
My goodness, In the case of Amazon, It's absolutely pathetic to neglect and put a worker's health at risk.
Every employer must ensure "a duty of care", and provide a safe working environment for each employee/personnel. In most cases, there are laws to protect workers, however some employees are afraid to take matters further fearing they may lose their job, so they simply put up with the conditions.
RE: Code of Ethics? - C8Stingray - 01-16-2020
Yes amazon is notorious for this. I have heard of women developing UTI's because they can't go to the bathroom it's literally slave labor. I also heard a story of this poor fellow who received no training for using a forklift and it was his first day using it; something went wrong and he crushed himself with the fork lift. His body wasn't found until hours later he was bleeding out dead on the scene.
RE: Code of Ethics? - Defeat - 01-18-2020
Yes. Although I ran into an almost serious legal issue with a company when I was younger that has actually died off due to SEing (won't mention the company, and this is opinion, I'd like to think it played a lesser role though*), my eyes were opened to the damage it did to even, up and coming medium sized companies. Prior, I would've said, no, never an individual or a small business, but now I'm strictly about large companies. No exceptions. Also, I rarely participate anymore, the experience did leave me a little shocked. It was a popular company (clearly not that big or w.e since it failed at the end) at the time. I was also part of a community were people had no issue abusing a company (like 20+ products at a time) and I just wasn't about that. I've always tried to be somewhat practical. Many things/services I've SEed are things I plan on using/already use/benefit my bill, responsibilities, life in some way. I've had some cases where I just wanted some money or extra money, but that's rarer than the others.
It seems silly though eh. I do in fact, believe theft is wrong on any level. It's definitely a moral dilemma for me.