(08-12-2022, 07:29 PM)Danteraz Wrote: I would like to ask how the boxing method is carried out correctly that is to say it is not easy for me to get dry ice in my city

(08-12-2022, 07:29 PM)Danteraz Wrote: the question I have is this: the spare iPhones I got are separated into two different orders, I want to know if it would be a return of 1 label or 2 labels?

(08-12-2022, 07:29 PM)Danteraz Wrote: since there are two iphones, the weight of the item is the following .932 kg (I leave you the photo of the scale), I imagine that I would have to put the same weight of dry ice, almost 1 kg, would this be prudent?

(08-12-2022, 07:29 PM)Danteraz Wrote: And if there are two return labels, wouldn't it be harder to believe that both boxes arrived empty?

(08-12-2022, 07:29 PM)Danteraz Wrote: Finally I would like to know if when closing the box pretending that it has been manipulated on the way, how much opening should I leave to allow the easy extraction of the smoke generated by the ice and if this could not raise suspicions when you meet the carrier?

(08-14-2022, 12:22 PM)Jidxja Wrote: wouldn`t the carrier see the smoke coming from the box?

(08-14-2022, 12:22 PM)Jidxja Wrote: And wouldn`t he be able to sense that there are things moving in the package, like they are not secured in a box or something and this might raise suspicions?

(08-15-2022, 04:50 AM)mothered Wrote:

(08-14-2022, 12:22 PM)Jidxja Wrote: wouldn`t the carrier see the smoke coming from the box?

Not when It's enclosed In the box.

An open container, particularly with warm air, Increases sublimation and exposes a greater amount of carbon dioxide gas.

(08-14-2022, 12:22 PM)Jidxja Wrote: And wouldn`t he be able to sense that there are things moving in the package, like they are not secured in a box or something and this might raise suspicions?

Unless he reads the description on the manifest, the driver doesn't know the exact contents of the box.

If you're concerned about that, simply secure the dry Ice.

(08-15-2022, 04:17 PM)Jidxja Wrote: ohh, okay, I understand now. Not fully but when the ocasion arises I will ask more questions, thank you for the help

(10-27-2022, 02:08 AM)Danteraz Wrote: Hello colleagues, I apologize for not having updated the information that was previously exposed here, but I want to give you an update on the case since in part I appreciate the various comments I received, since they gave me greater security when following up on this situation.

I want to tell you that in the end I was able to get my money back, so in this operation I was able to receive 4 iPhone 13 pro Max of which I only paid '2' considering that they were delivered with OTP, the solution they gave me was a replacement that I later 'returned' ' and I say this because it implements the empty box method, however this didn't work, because they told me that I sent them junk, so I know they proceeded to ban my account, which doesn't really matter that much, but I approached my financial provider, in this case 'BANCO AZTECA', in which I argued a 'refund not applied', which at different times they told me that it would not proceed in my favor, in the opinion I realized that the answer was always based on 'unrecognized operation ' which was obviously not real, since the operation had been done by me, however I continued to press my bank and at the same time I supported myself in a public institution that acts as a mediator of conflicts between financial providers and consumers, so that they would I was able to press and at the end of everything that happened they applied the refund to me after more than 3 months of being pending all the time, I can say that there were things that allowed me to be victorious, here I will give you some examples so that you take this as support for that you too can be victorious with your SE.

1.-. One of the first things that I think allowed me to point out was that I created a counterfeit refund email that you receive from Amazon, when you ask for a refund, which in this case I pretended, here is the picture, I just want you to look at the ASIN code, I don't know to what extent this helped me since it is the original of the item,    Why do I mention this? Well, because in my case it was the real one, I don't know if you can easily achieve it, how did I get it? Well, it just so happened that when I had just received the first equipment and was starting a dispute with Amazon for not having received it (that order was delivered with OTP), Amazon did not want to support me since the OTP guaranteed delivery, so I went to my bank to ask for clarification, which was not resolved in my favor,    However, I do not know why this caused Amazon's banking provider to proceed to put the money on hold to see how it was resolved based on the evidence, I imagine, in this case BANORTE (in Mexico), so since the clarification was not resolved in my favor, I continued to insist on Amazon, that after about 2 weeks,    they asked me for a police report or as we know it in Mexico as a complaint, which I went to request from the Public Ministry, since I had in my hands the complaint where I referred to the fact, I sent it to Amazon, they after another almost 2 weeks, agreed to give me a replacement, which generated that they sent again 2 iPhone 13 pro max,  same that arrive after 2 - 4 days, but when they were on their way home, it happened that Amazon noticed that the money from the purchase of the first equipment was withheld, to which they sent me the following email, where I was able to get the original ASIN which, as I said, I do not know to what extent this guarantees success,  but at least it allowed me to make Amazon's refund email more believable, as it actually showed all the necessary data. I will leave here the email to which I refer and in turn the confirmation email of the false refund.





the way in which I was also able to solve the temporary suspension, because mainly it was to attach to the emails that I received the clarification sheet from the bank where it was ruled that 'It would not proceed in my favor', to which after a few days I was able to solve, but the antecedent was still left, and then the only thing I did was request the return labels, which he proceeded to execute with 'ICE Co2', for which I had to wait around two weeks between the delivery process of the package to them and then they with the due processing of the return, for this after that time they told me that they had received garbage and that they could not process the refund, at the same time that they suspended my account for violation of the terms, to which I no longer received assistance from them, as I mentioned a few lines ago, I kept insisting on my bank sending the forged 'refund' email as evidence, so after more than almost 3 months since I made the purchase a, I was able to get the money back at the same time that I kept 4 iPhones and that above all they were not blocked in the 'blacklist', I count all this as a testimony that the one who perseveres reaches, more than anything I think there were some factors that allowed me to get the victory, so don't give up and keep insisting, I want to thank @mothered for the support and thank you to those who also gave their opinions.
Good luck to the others who want to start with a SEing, they will have confidence in you and do not stop insisting.

(10-27-2022, 02:29 AM)Danteraz Wrote: @mothered

In summary I will tell you that I was victorious thanks to your contributions and I was able to recover my money keeping the 4 iPhone phones, carnal thanks and luck to others