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RE: Amazon Refund Problems - mothered - 07-03-2022
(06-29-2022, 07:58 PM)redmex2 Wrote: I tried:
Quote:- Change IPIs It a residential IP or via a VPN?
Quote:- Change CCA VCC or a card through your bank with totally different credentials?
Quote:- Change addressFull address change or partial?
Quote:- Brand-new device.Did anyone navigate to Amazon, even simply browsing their site?
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - redmex2 - 07-05-2022
(07-03-2022, 10:46 AM)Usbflasher Wrote:(06-29-2022, 07:58 PM)redmex2 Wrote: I still stuck at declined refundings. Nothing works anymore for me (europa)
The last 7-10 ending in failure. I get always the message, that i need to contact police whatever i try.
Before everything worked fine.
I tried:
- Change IP
- Change Device (laptop,mobile,pc)
- Change CC
- Change Name
- Change product
- Change address
- Change behavior, change password, change search-style
- Change town
- New Internet provider (LAN and sim)
- Brand-new device.
- Brand-new cc on other provider
Nothing works. they get every try. (200-300$)
This situation is since about 3-4 weeks. Before, everything worked without problems.
I dont get it. amazon changed something about? Someone else having this massively problems now?...
Its very worse and frustrating
They got enough data for their machine learning fraud detection. The pattern is always the same. They just didnt implement it before and it is active now.
Usually you will get OFM problem but not PR. Only if you try to EB apple items.
What means PR, and EB? Is there maybe some explain for all these shortcuts?
And yes, i think you are mainly right. The system detects me since the apple try.
Is there something i could do against? i tried to change everything, i dont know. i buyed a brand new smartphone, made a new contract for internet (sim card) , changed town, and different other things. would be glad for any help, im still stucking.
(07-03-2022, 11:02 AM)mothered Wrote:(06-29-2022, 07:58 PM)redmex2 Wrote: I tried:Quote:- Change IPIs It a residential IP or via a VPN?
Quote:- Change CCA VCC or a card through your bank with totally different credentials?
Quote:- Change addressFull address change or partial?
Quote:- Brand-new device.Did anyone navigate to Amazon, even simply browsing their site?
I navigate to amazon via. google,yahoo search or some price comparison portals where i search for the victim product.
I changed full address, also changed town.
I changed cc multiple times, but have only VC. i use about 3-4 providers for these cards. also tried my personal cc while never used, but this account got instant blocked and could not try order.
EDIT: even if i try lower target (100$) the supporters redirect the inquiry and after that, the email-reply is: police. (fresh accounts, worked before with 500$ amount with virtual cc, without problems)
im in a big dark hole..
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - MrDurian - 07-05-2022
(07-05-2022, 09:00 PM)redmex2 Wrote: What means PR, and EB? Is there maybe some explain for all these shortcuts?
PR stands for Police Report and EB for Empty Box
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - mothered - 07-06-2022
(07-05-2022, 09:00 PM)redmex2 Wrote: I navigate to amazon via. google,yahoo search or some price comparison portals where i search for the victim product.Use a device that's yet to navigate on Amazon.
(07-05-2022, 09:00 PM)redmex2 Wrote: I changed cc multiple times, but have only VC. i use about 3-4 providers for these cards.Use a real credit card that's not associated to you In any way, shape, or form.
(07-05-2022, 09:00 PM)redmex2 Wrote: also tried my personal cc while never used, but this account got instant blocked and could not try order.Are there any details that match the Information on previous cards, as well as the account In question?
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - redmex2 - 07-06-2022
(07-06-2022, 04:11 AM)mothered Wrote:(07-05-2022, 09:00 PM)redmex2 Wrote: I navigate to amazon via. google,yahoo search or some price comparison portals where i search for the victim product.Use a device that's yet to navigate on Amazon.
(07-05-2022, 09:00 PM)redmex2 Wrote: I changed cc multiple times, but have only VC. i use about 3-4 providers for these cards.Use a real credit card that's not associated to you In any way, shape, or form.
(07-05-2022, 09:00 PM)redmex2 Wrote: also tried my personal cc while never used, but this account got instant blocked and could not try order.Are there any details that match the Information on previous cards, as well as the account In question?
Only the name similar. For example
Name is: Mark Taber, so i try register as Mark Taebr | Mahrk Tabber | Mark Tauber etc..
I dont use fake identity so far, grabbing packages by myself.
But like i said, this worked fine before. And like said², i ordered new device, used address in another town (80 miles + away) and completely fresh internet, never was on amazon before on this device (while it was brand new)
The only things could be:
- similar name, but that worked before (?)
- same email provider (?)
- same virtual credit-card account (but that's implausible while on my last try, i created a completely new account on another credit card provider.
- different lastname on credit-card check by amazon (sometimes i use my real lastname, on payment informations add field, sometimes the fake lastname -- on the field u need to write down name of card owner)
but i have done this things before without problems >.<
So i changed:
- Change IP
- Change Device (laptop,mobile,pc) - brand new, newer used.
- Change CC, new CC account on another provider
- Change Name, pre and lastname
- Change product, change price
- Change address, change town, change state
- Change behavior, change password, change search-style
- New Internet provider (LAN and sim) - fresh, never used by someone before
- Brand-new device (laptop and smartphone - both not worked)
And i still dont get it.
Since days they catch nearly every fresh created account by me. before it was like 1-2 accounts were instantly closed, from 10-20. now i try 10 register and getting with luck 1 acc. registered, but mostely 1 out of 15... and refund fails then finally.
really need help!
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - mothered - 07-07-2022
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: The only things could be:Past events are not always a representation of future happenings.
- similar name, but that worked before (?)
Change the name to something totally different.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: - same email provider (?)Obviously opt for a different one.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: - same virtual credit-card account (but that's implausible while on my last try, i created a completely new account on another credit card provider.Use a real credit card (not a VCC) with a different provider and name.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: (sometimes i use my real lastname, on payment informations add field, sometimes the fake lastname -- on the field u need to write down name of card owner)The last name must not be associated to you In any way, shape, or form.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: but i have done this things before without problems >.<As said, It doesn't mean the same will apply with subsequent accounts.
As you can see, there are a number of details/credentials linking your accounts.
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - redmex2 - 07-08-2022
(07-07-2022, 03:09 AM)mothered Wrote:(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: The only things could be:Past events are not always a representation of future happenings.
- similar name, but that worked before (?)
Change the name to something totally different.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: - same email provider (?)Obviously opt for a different one.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: - same virtual credit-card account (but that's implausible while on my last try, i created a completely new account on another credit card provider.Use a real credit card (not a VCC) with a different provider and name.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: (sometimes i use my real lastname, on payment informations add field, sometimes the fake lastname -- on the field u need to write down name of card owner)The last name must not be associated to you In any way, shape, or form.
(07-06-2022, 11:09 PM)redmex2 Wrote: but i have done this things before without problems >.<As said, It doesn't mean the same will apply with subsequent accounts.
As you can see, there are a number of details/credentials linking your accounts.
And how do you get these orders, with totally different name? Just use methods to catch the delivery guy?
Whats about create cc with other name, that seems very impossible? I cant see some option to dont use similar name, while i dont would get the package / get verified cc ?
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - mothered - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 09:09 AM)redmex2 Wrote: And how do you get these orders, with totally different name?You've already used a similar name (without Issues), which Is In fact classed as a totally different name.
Unless It's a diminutive name, any variation In name denotes another person.
(07-08-2022, 09:09 AM)redmex2 Wrote: Whats about create cc with other name, that seems very impossible?Use a friend's card.
There are ways to get cards with another name, but to stick with the rules, I cannot discuss It on this board.
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - redmex2 - 07-09-2022
(07-08-2022, 10:59 AM)mothered Wrote:(07-08-2022, 09:09 AM)redmex2 Wrote: And how do you get these orders, with totally different name?You've already used a similar name (without Issues), which Is In fact classed as a totally different name.
Unless It's a diminutive name, any variation In name denotes another person.
(07-08-2022, 09:09 AM)redmex2 Wrote: Whats about create cc with other name, that seems very impossible?Use a friend's card.
There are ways to get cards with another name, but to stick with the rules, I cannot discuss It on this board.
Whats about signature on package? Amazon seeing this? or only the package delivery service see this?
RE: Amazon Refund Problems - mothered - 07-10-2022
(07-09-2022, 09:45 PM)redmex2 Wrote: Whats about signature on package? Amazon seeing this? or only the package delivery service see this?Amazon will have the consignment details on record, signature Included.
You can sign with whatever you like - even a name that's not legible.