(07-12-2014, 05:22 AM)Arthur Curry Wrote: Be more vague please. What exactly is the problem with Java, and to that respect why are you even mentioning Java?

(07-12-2014, 05:24 AM)Edward Wrote: I'm pretty sure Android uses the Linux kernel, too.

(07-12-2014, 04:18 AM)Oni Wrote: Regardless of what iOS is based on, you originally stated it was based on Linux. Forgot to correct you in my last post, but Android uses a modified Linux kernel.. Android is also primarily open source, whereas only fractions of iOS are (despite the fact Darwin is open source).

Unlike what you said, iOS is based off of Darwin, which has code from Apple, BSD, and a couple other places. If you want, you could say it's based off of both, but the code isn't just from BSD. And yes, Darwin does use the XNU kernel. XNU stands for "X is not Unix". Do a little reading, and you'll see that I do know what I'm talking about. But just in case I don't, check the links I've provided you.
Source: http://cnlox.is-programmer.com/user_files/cnlox/File/iphone_develop_cross_platform.pdf (1.12)

As for iOS being better, it's debatable. If you're a texty teenager or a gripey grandmother, it might be great for you - but Android is different. I'd like to argue it's superior. Android has been known for providing end-users with more freedom, control, and options. I can't recall ever having an Android device I couldn't change the wallpaper on, but I can remember having an Apple one (with a boring black background). I've never needed to "jailbreak" my Android device to do basic things, although I've certainly rooted it (and some companies even provide instructions). I've had a few iPhones, and I've also had a few Android phones. I've used both, but I certainly prefer Android.

(07-12-2014, 05:30 PM)phyrrus9 Wrote: its a matter of preference for users. I am not a user, I am a programmer. If you wish to be a user, feel free to limit yourself. Basic things to you are different than me. Try writing your apps in assembly on Android, it just isn't going to happen. Your choices are: Java. For iOS, being unix-like and following the same patterns as BSD, it is pretty simple to use anything you want (including java, if you are one of those people).

I have also owned android phones, I still have one. I just prefer to say its terrible from a developer standpoint.

As far as jailbreaking goes, its fun, to find the bugs, to work through them, to use them in ways they werent supposed to be. I like making my own jailbreaks. But, it is just my opinion.

(07-12-2014, 05:46 PM)Erza Scarlet Wrote: Root on android is FAR better for everything then jailbreak.


A LOT better for developers too.

(07-12-2014, 05:53 PM)phyrrus9 Wrote: Im listening, back up your theory. What makes it better and how is rooting better.

(07-12-2014, 06:56 PM)Oni Wrote: Originally, you claimed iOS was more Linux-based. Wrong. Then you said iOS isn't based on Darwin. Wrong again. Now you claim that you can do more on an jailbroken phone, than a rooted one. Wrong once more. If you'd read my last post thoroughly, you would have noticed the mention of how Android is fairly open source, and iOS isn't. Despite the fact Android (without root) already provides what iPhone users yearn for when they jailbreak (ie. 3rd party app and theme installation), there's an infinite amount of things you can do if you have a rooted Android phone.

The main issue is that Apple's phones are incredibly limited. You're developing applications for their phones, great. But that doesn't make the actual phones any better. You might enjoy development for iOS more, but that in itself doesn't make iOS superior. You need to jailbreak your phone to do even the most basic things. Android users don't. When you root an Android phone, you're gaining access to the entire operating system, and the possibilities are limitless. You're free to change ROMs or even overclock your device. When you jailbreak an iPhone, you're simply lifting restrictions that Apple has placed on your device - big whoop. Asides from 3rd party application installation, there's not much more you can really do.

Jailbreaking is just what it sounds like. You're breaking out of the jail that Apple has placed you in.
Rooting is just what it sounds like as well. You're gaining root access, or in other words full control.

(07-12-2014, 07:04 PM)phyrrus9 Wrote: Jailbreak is by definition gaining root access. I dont know where you get your information, but I hate theming. I jailbreak because it gives me the freedom to use my phone (already a more powerful CPU than any other) and its operating system how I use any other computer. iOS provides the same experience as Android does on the level I use it, the phones are just better built, and the operating system is less Java. Stop talking in circles and show me any proof that there is a difference.

(07-12-2014, 07:04 PM)phyrrus9 Wrote: Jailbreak is by definition gaining root access. I dont know where you get your information, but I hate theming. I jailbreak because it gives me the freedom to use my phone (already a more powerful CPU than any other) and its operating system how I use any other computer. iOS provides the same experience as Android does on the level I use it, the phones are just better built, and the operating system is less Java. Stop talking in circles and show me any proof that there is a difference.