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RE: Arrested - Saffron - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 01:19 AM)mothered Wrote:Ok, if you deem your example fitting, I take it you mean it's not very likely to end up arrested unless SEer is one greedy sob.(02-21-2023, 07:49 PM)Saffron Wrote: @mothered this example seems quite extreme and as if the guy was really asking for it.The OP has asked If anyone's been arrested while social engineering, and I've answered his/her question accordingly.
RE: Arrested - mothered - 02-23-2023
(02-22-2023, 05:51 PM)Saffron Wrote: Ok, if you deem your example fitting, I take it you mean it's not very likely to end up arrested unless SEer is one greedy sob.Where did I mention the nature of the SE? Namely what you've stated here:
(02-22-2023, 05:51 PM)Saffron Wrote: I take it you mean it's not very likely to end up arrested unless SEer is one greedy sob.
Read my reply carefully:
(02-22-2023, 01:19 AM)mothered Wrote: The OP has asked If anyone's been arrested while social engineering, and I've answered his/her question accordingly.
I'll simplify It for you - It purely pertains to whether or not anyone's been arrested when SE'ing.
RE: Arrested - Oni - 02-23-2023
(02-20-2023, 08:07 PM)NuPhy1 Wrote: If someone did, they probably are not here anymore.
This. The number of arrests will always be severely understated. The only time we'll hear about it is when someone gets a slap on the wrist or there's an article about Amazon getting scammed for 200k+.
There's a reason I put a disclaimer on this section. I don't recommend doing anything posted here. People are prone to lying and can give bad advice. Be wary of what you're doing and potential consequences.
RE: Arrested - chumchum55 - 02-23-2023
(02-20-2023, 07:06 PM)BetterThings2 Wrote: @Craigtheboss. Common sense does wonders, especially with regards to se'ing. First off some "methods" draw a lot of heat just because of the nature of it, like FTID and it variations. Other times it's when people don't use common sense to maximize plausible deniability with their se's, like fools who box Amazon by sending back dirt, or the one idiot who put incendiary devices in his mail packages in a retarded attempt to apply the LIT method. If both of those dummies used dry ice instead, it's a high chance that they would not be in jail right now.
So as long as you use common sense and don't do greedy dumb shit like trying to dna three macbooks at one time, and put some space between your se's the chances of cops at your door is low because no cop cares about some company getting finessed out an Ipad every now and then, they have way better things to focus their time and resources on.
I agree with the statement above. It’s all about common sense and not get too greedy. It’s like everything else in life. Getting too greedy is gambling.
From my observation, DNA’ing is a lot harder today because of the abuse.
RE: Arrested - KingDead - 02-23-2023
(02-23-2023, 01:43 AM)chumchum55 Wrote:(02-20-2023, 07:06 PM)BetterThings2 Wrote: @Craigtheboss. Common sense does wonders, especially with regards to se'ing. First off some "methods" draw a lot of heat just because of the nature of it, like FTID and it variations. Other times it's when people don't use common sense to maximize plausible deniability with their se's, like fools who box Amazon by sending back dirt, or the one idiot who put incendiary devices in his mail packages in a retarded attempt to apply the LIT method. If both of those dummies used dry ice instead, it's a high chance that they would not be in jail right now.
So as long as you use common sense and don't do greedy dumb shit like trying to dna three macbooks at one time, and put some space between your se's the chances of cops at your door is low because no cop cares about some company getting finessed out an Ipad every now and then, they have way better things to focus their time and resources on.
I agree with the statement above. It’s all about common sense and not get too greedy. It’s like everything else in life. Getting too greedy is gambling.
From my observation, DNA’ing is a lot harder today because of the abuse.
While I think of SE’ing as child’s play I do use a wide range of retailers and techniques. Also this isn’t my only scam. You got to mix it up and not put all your eggs in one basket.
RE: Arrested - Saffron - 02-23-2023
(02-23-2023, 01:19 AM)mothered Wrote:(02-22-2023, 05:51 PM)Saffron Wrote: Ok, if you deem your example fitting, I take it you mean it's not very likely to end up arrested unless SEer is one greedy sob.Where did I mention the nature of the SE? Namely what you've stated here:
(02-22-2023, 05:51 PM)Saffron Wrote: I take it you mean it's not very likely to end up arrested unless SEer is one greedy sob.
Read my reply carefully:
(02-22-2023, 01:19 AM)mothered Wrote: The OP has asked If anyone's been arrested while social engineering, and I've answered his/her question accordingly.
I'll simplify It for you - It purely pertains to whether or not anyone's been arrested when SE'ing.
Thanks for clarifying. I'm just trying to ascertain the worst possible outcomes for a small SEer who is relatively careful. It is not surprising to see someone get arrested for running a criminal enterprise (ie making a living out of it).
RE: Arrested - mothered - 02-23-2023
(02-23-2023, 11:28 AM)Saffron Wrote: I'm just trying to ascertain the worst possible outcomes for a small SEer who is relatively careful.It's taken on a case-by-case basis, so It's very difficult to generalize on the possible consequences.
A small SE'er, for example, can be someone who's refunded 5 Items to the value of 900$, or someone who hit his first SE and tried his luck on a 25k diamond ring and succeeded. The ramifications with the latter, are far more serious than the former.
(02-23-2023, 11:28 AM)Saffron Wrote: It is not surprising to see someone get arrested for running a criminal enterprise (ie making a living out of it).Absolutely.
Under the circumstances, criminal apprehension and conviction Is definitely warranted.
RE: Arrested - chumchum55 - 02-23-2023
(02-23-2023, 11:43 AM)mothered Wrote:(02-23-2023, 11:28 AM)Saffron Wrote: I'm just trying to ascertain the worst possible outcomes for a small SEer who is relatively careful.It's taken on a case-by-case basis, so It's very difficult to generalize on the possible consequences.
A small SE'er, for example, can be someone who's refunded 5 Items to the value of 900$, or someone who hit his first SE and tried his luck on a 25k diamond ring and succeeded. The ramifications with the latter, are far more serious than the former.
(02-23-2023, 11:28 AM)Saffron Wrote: It is not surprising to see someone get arrested for running a criminal enterprise (ie making a living out of it).Absolutely.
Under the circumstances, criminal apprehension and conviction Is definitely warranted.
As the old saying goes slow and steady wins the race.
RE: Arrested - Itree1986 - 02-23-2023
i will just drop my two sense in on this matter. social engineering by definition is manipulation of individuals to obtain your desired outcome. if your se is fueled by greed or profit i would just stop. If you se out of necessity then perhaps re evaluate where you can do life better. but if you find yourself seing to improve your situation with viable means of initial investment etc then you should be ok and at that point you are only doing something illegal if you admit to doing something illegal otherwise i do not understand whats illegal about it and if you are in the states the 5th ammendment is your best friend if anything were to present itself as troubling. if you are harming or scamming individuals i would be wary of the universe and karma catching up to you but if you are using intelligence to improve your situation among corporate slave masters than that is much different
RE: Arrested - mothered - 02-24-2023
(02-23-2023, 04:37 PM)chumchum55 Wrote: As the old saying goes slow and steady wins the race.Unfortunately, greed takes over In the minds of many social engineers and that's when they land themselves In hot water.