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RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato - imgr8ness - 03-28-2022
(03-28-2022, 07:43 AM)vittring Wrote:(03-28-2022, 07:21 AM)imgr8ness Wrote:I'm anti-war, but nobody was claiming you are pro-Russia or even anti-Ukraine. We are all just having a discussion.(03-28-2022, 07:18 AM)Jiggly Wrote: The war in Donbass is a similar situation to now. I believe Oni was referring to the lack of deaths on this scale. This is far larger than what happened in Donbass.
Yes absolutely more deaths, but my view is that is a pointless discussion, ideally there should be no deaths.
The more important discussion is how did we get to this point. Some people seem to think that Putin got up one day and decided to invade Ukraine just because.
In order to make sense of what is happening now, you must look at the history. Russia has been voicing its concern about NATO and US expansion eastward as far back as 2007 and even earlier.
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2007-03/us-europe-anti-missile-plans-upset-russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/19/usa.nato
But the US in all of its wisdom decided to ignore Russia's legitimate concerns and press eastwards regardless.
Don't mistake my words to mean I am 'pro' Russia or any other such nonsense. My preference is always for peace, but you cannot antagonize a country, refuse to listen to their concerns and expect no response.
The US is primarily responsible for this and if you look at all of the wars they have been involved in for the last 30 years at least, you will see a pattern.
Yes of course, no one claimed I was 'pro' anything...yet. I felt it was necessary to make that point though, so as to avoid any confusion.
RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato - ConcernedCitizen - 03-28-2022
(03-28-2022, 11:34 PM)imgr8ness Wrote: Yes of course, no one claimed I was 'pro' anything...yet. I felt it was necessary to make that point though, so as to avoid any confusion.There is no confusion.
RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato - imgr8ness - 03-28-2022
(03-28-2022, 11:50 PM)vittring Wrote:(03-28-2022, 11:34 PM)imgr8ness Wrote: Yes of course, no one claimed I was 'pro' anything...yet. I felt it was necessary to make that point though, so as to avoid any confusion.There is no confusion.
It appears that you are misunderstanding my very clear words. I did NOT say there WAS confusion, I clearly wrote 'so as to AVOID confusion'. It was a pre-emptive statement.
I don't see how you could misunderstand that, I get the feeling you are being argumentative.
So to put this to rest, refrain from speaking to me unless you want to discuss the topic at hand.
RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato - ConcernedCitizen - 03-29-2022
(03-28-2022, 11:57 PM)imgr8ness Wrote: So to put this to rest, refrain from speaking to me unless you want to discuss the topic at hand.I'm not angry lol.
I'm just saying when there's not bombs going off you don't need to say "I just want to clarify there are NO BOMBS."
I felt the need to point out that it isn't generally necessary to do that. We know.
RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato - imgr8ness - 03-29-2022
(03-29-2022, 12:02 AM)vittring Wrote:(03-28-2022, 11:57 PM)imgr8ness Wrote: So to put this to rest, refrain from speaking to me unless you want to discuss the topic at hand.I'm not angry lol.
I'm just saying when there's not bombs going off you don't need to say "I just want to clarify there are NO BOMBS."
I felt the need to point out that it isn't generally necessary to do that. We know.
In my experience online and I'm sure you've had this too, people will jump to conclusions if you don't clearly state.
For instance, your first line in that response was 'I'm not angry lol', well I never said you were, I said I felt you were being 'argumentative' which is not tantamount to being angry.
As you say...when there's not bombs going off you don't need to say "I just want to clarify there are NO BOMBS."
RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato - Raghavop1 - 04-04-2022
Hope fir the best for ukraine
RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato - scargo - 04-05-2022
zelenski is dead meat, he should join nato far far time ago