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RE: Empty Envelope Fail - mothered - 03-04-2023
(03-04-2023, 08:50 AM)Ashitbag Wrote: I am going to pursue it anyway. I was surprised it failed so definitely in the first place, the order was under a different name and I used a different payment method.What about a different address and device?
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - Ashitbag - 03-04-2023
(03-04-2023, 10:37 AM)mothered Wrote:(03-04-2023, 08:50 AM)Ashitbag Wrote: I am going to pursue it anyway. I was surprised it failed so definitely in the first place, the order was under a different name and I used a different payment method.What about a different address and device?
Different delivery address, different device. But the payment details had the same address as a previous SE. I only have one address for payment details, but used a different card.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - mothered - 03-04-2023
(03-04-2023, 12:46 PM)Ashitbag Wrote: But the payment details had the same address as a previous SE.^ That's how the account was Identified.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - KingDead - 03-04-2023
(03-03-2023, 11:21 AM)mothered Wrote:(03-03-2023, 10:47 AM)Ashitbag Wrote: I literally just sent an empty envelope with the return label. I did not alter it, so I don't know if that counts as 'fake tracking ID'. Other people reported success with the same companyI cannot see how It can possibly work:
- They've sent a return label
- They're obviously expecting the return to process the claim
- An empty envelope was sent Instead of the expected product
- They've received It and evidently, checked It - only to find some garbage as the return
How on earth has the method succeeded for others? They're either BS'ing, or the company Is still living In the stone age.
But it does work! And it's not even FTID!
It even worked at Costco with a desk that weighed almost 100lbs and I returned it with an envelope that weighed 6oz
They emailed and said they received the return then sent me a check because the credit card was already dead from chargebacks.
I'll show you the emails and check I received to prove it.
Adidas
Sephora
Bloomingdales all worked
I think it's a combo of departments not communicating with each other and not many refunders are trying it.
(03-03-2023, 03:08 PM)Ashitbag Wrote:(03-03-2023, 11:21 AM)mothered Wrote:(03-03-2023, 10:47 AM)Ashitbag Wrote: I literally just sent an empty envelope with the return label. I did not alter it, so I don't know if that counts as 'fake tracking ID'. Other people reported success with the same companyI cannot see how It can possibly work:
- They've sent a return label
- They're obviously expecting the return to process the claim
- An empty envelope was sent Instead of the expected product
- They've received It and evidently, checked It - only to find some garbage as the return
How on earth has the method succeeded for others? They're either BS'ing, or the company Is still living In the stone age.
I know. It seemed like a long shot to me too, but username KingDead said it worked, and he seems legit. Maybe it's just in the US. Some companies still do the whole refund on first scan thing, so I thought maybe they did that. But... apparently not. I have proof of sending something, so I am trying to dispute it.
(03-03-2023, 02:41 PM)sinisterlee Wrote: Heard of ftid (empty letter) being called out in Europe too.
The retailer said they received an empty letter which was flagged by the carrier. They stated that it did not contain the returned items and due to the SIZE of the letter it never could have never contained those items claim to have been returned.
The size of the letter is key here. With the above example dry ice could have worked in theory if the weight matched when it was scanned at the depot.
Empty letter or ftid can work but the main part is luck, professionalism of your target company and your persistence/SE skills. It depends on the processes in place in the return department, how well they document returns and how is the communication between CS & returns.
This does make more sense, but they would have checked the contents regardless. The return was not weighed, so I can claim there a box with it. I will see if I can maybe succeed this way. Doubtful, but at this stage I think it's at least worth trying.
Maybe it is just USA and luck on my part.
I tend to cause chaos and confusion when refunding/SE'ing byworking multiple methods at the same time and exhausting reps.
I wouldn't use it as your frontline SE attempt. It's something I do when I am going someplace. I say to myself I might as well drop off some empty envelopes since I'm driving right by the FedEx drop off.
Doesn't work all the time:
Nordstrom's
Macy's
NorthFace
Never received email from them and didn't pursue further just did chargeback.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - mothered - 03-05-2023
(03-04-2023, 11:33 PM)KingDead Wrote: I think it's a combo of departments not communicating with each other and not many refunders are trying it.I've provided my thoughts here.
Which by the way, Is factual.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - KingDead - 03-05-2023
(03-05-2023, 01:50 AM)mothered Wrote:(03-04-2023, 11:33 PM)KingDead Wrote: I think it's a combo of departments not communicating with each other and not many refunders are trying it.I've provided my thoughts here.
Which by the way, Is factual.
Ah gotcha. Even I was shocked some of them worked they were so lazy and long shot. But I have no reason to lie on here I try only to help. And just because it worked for me isn't a 100% guarantee it will work for someone else.
But it also goes right along with the fact that the chat reps you for the order number right after you filled out the form with the order number just to enter chat.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - mothered - 03-05-2023
(03-05-2023, 02:35 AM)KingDead Wrote: But I have no reason to lie on here I try only to help.I know that.
I have not Implied It In any way, shape, or form.
(03-05-2023, 02:35 AM)KingDead Wrote: And just because it worked for me isn't a 100% guarantee it will work for someone else.But there's always at least one rep with no brain cells who'll dance to your tune and approve the claim.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - KingDead - 03-05-2023
(03-05-2023, 02:57 AM)mothered Wrote:Ah ok. I just don't want anyone on here thinking I'm on here to boost my ego. I am trying to return the favor and help people like the early forums helped me.(03-05-2023, 02:35 AM)KingDead Wrote: But I have no reason to lie on here I try only to help.I know that.
I have not Implied It In any way, shape, or form.
(03-05-2023, 02:35 AM)KingDead Wrote: And just because it worked for me isn't a 100% guarantee it will work for someone else.But there's always at least one rep with no brain cells who'll dance to your tune and approve the claim.
And your almost 100% right. Eventually you can find an agent that will say "fuck this" and just push the refund through.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - Ashitbag - 03-05-2023
(03-04-2023, 02:44 PM)mothered Wrote:(03-04-2023, 12:46 PM)Ashitbag Wrote: But the payment details had the same address as a previous SE.^ That's how the account was Identified.
I had success with Nike doing the same. I guess Adidas are more careful with claims. I had success with Adidas doing similar in the past too, but the first refund was instant, so there was no investigation.
RE: Empty Envelope Fail - mothered - 03-05-2023
(03-05-2023, 09:51 AM)Ashitbag Wrote:Claim assessments are not consistent each and every time, which Is why you've experienced successful outcomes.(03-04-2023, 02:44 PM)mothered Wrote:(03-04-2023, 12:46 PM)Ashitbag Wrote: But the payment details had the same address as a previous SE.^ That's how the account was Identified.
I had success with Nike doing the same. I guess Adidas are more careful with claims. I had success with Adidas doing similar in the past two, but the first refund was instant, so there was no investigation.