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RE: Massive Sneakers SE OPSEC - Big profits! - mothered - 12-29-2022
(12-28-2022, 10:06 PM)sinisterlee Wrote: Meeting up with people is something I would avoid at almost any cost.
The hassle, possibility to get scammed/robbed, for it to be a set up.
Also the amount of people interested is significantly reduced when you narrow it down to one city compared to the world.
Quote:for it to be a set up.^ This Is the most concerning part.
RE: Massive Sneakers SE OPSEC - Big profits! - Username21 - 12-29-2022
(12-29-2022, 01:48 AM)mothered Wrote:(12-28-2022, 10:06 PM)sinisterlee Wrote: Meeting up with people is something I would avoid at almost any cost.
The hassle, possibility to get scammed/robbed, for it to be a set up.
Also the amount of people interested is significantly reduced when you narrow it down to one city compared to the world.Quote:for it to be a set up.^ This Is the most concerning part.
Oh wow i have to say i wasn't expecting this to be said.
In my life i did probably more than 30 meet ups and never had any issues. I usually just pick a somewhat crowded place - for example food courts in the malls. To be honest I've never experienced a single negative outcome of such meeting and i got the full amount every single time.
But you know what, let's say that one meeting turned out to be a set up
What's the worst outcome?
No one will beat you up in a public place.
Your items might get stolen - that is possible and I can easily see that happening, however there is not really a chance for a situation where your getting threatened (for example physical violence) due to other people being around. All I can imagine is someone doing a grab and run. If that's the case, well what is there to say...
Scammer got scammed :)))
(12-26-2022, 09:50 PM)EquitableEngineer Wrote: Very nice thread OP. Have you considered using gift cards to make the purchase on the account? That way after refund you would need to buy a second pair to get your money off the account but i dont see why it would not work. I have had luck doing this with Amazon.Hello my friend
(08-15-2022, 11:09 PM)Discide Wrote: Very nice thread. I think using a single use VCC like the from Revolut is better than using paypal
Any idea how many times you can use these single use cards per day / week / month ? There is bound to be some kind of limit.
I'm trying to see if they actually can issue gift cards as a way of refunding an order, Do you maybe have some experience with this on Nike recently?
RE: Massive Sneakers SE OPSEC - Big profits! - mothered - 12-30-2022
(12-29-2022, 10:53 PM)Username21 Wrote: Oh wow i have to say i wasn't expecting this to be said.Only 30?
In my life i did probably more than 30 meet ups and never had any issues. I usually just pick a somewhat crowded place - for example food courts in the malls. To be honest I've never experienced a single negative outcome of such meeting and i got the full amount every single time.
I'm not referring to the likelihood of It happening, but rather taking precautionary measures when dealing with the unknown.
(12-29-2022, 10:53 PM)Username21 Wrote: But you know what, let's say that one meeting turned out to be a set upIf the buyer Is a cop, start planning your conjugal visits.
What's the worst outcome?
The message Is loud and clear - never become complacent with social engineering, always cover your tracks under every circumstance.
RE: Massive Sneakers SE OPSEC - Big profits! - sinisterlee - 12-30-2022
(12-29-2022, 10:53 PM)Username21 Wrote:(12-29-2022, 01:48 AM)mothered Wrote:(12-28-2022, 10:06 PM)sinisterlee Wrote: Meeting up with people is something I would avoid at almost any cost.
The hassle, possibility to get scammed/robbed, for it to be a set up.
Also the amount of people interested is significantly reduced when you narrow it down to one city compared to the world.Quote:for it to be a set up.^ This Is the most concerning part.
Oh wow i have to say i wasn't expecting this to be said.
In my life i did probably more than 30 meet ups and never had any issues. I usually just pick a somewhat crowded place - for example food courts in the malls. To be honest I've never experienced a single negative outcome of such meeting and i got the full amount every single time.
But you know what, let's say that one meeting turned out to be a set up
What's the worst outcome?
No one will beat you up in a public place.
Your items might get stolen - that is possible and I can easily see that happening, however there is not really a chance for a situation where your getting threatened (for example physical violence) due to other people being around. All I can imagine is someone doing a grab and run. If that's the case, well what is there to say...
Scammer got scammed))
(12-26-2022, 09:50 PM)EquitableEngineer Wrote: Very nice thread OP. Have you considered using gift cards to make the purchase on the account? That way after refund you would need to buy a second pair to get your money off the account but i dont see why it would not work. I have had luck doing this with Amazon.Hello my friend
(08-15-2022, 11:09 PM)Discide Wrote: Very nice thread. I think using a single use VCC like the from Revolut is better than using paypal
Any idea how many times you can use these single use cards per day / week / month ? There is bound to be some kind of limit.
I'm trying to see if they actually can issue gift cards as a way of refunding an order, Do you maybe have some experience with this on Nike recently?
In terms of set up, I meant LE. Robbed was a seperate point.
Also people might try to pass counterfeit money in a face to face meeting.
Interesting you choose crowded places, I would do the opposite but in a safe area, with an exit strategy planned in advance.
RE: Massive Sneakers SE OPSEC - Big profits! - Username21 - 12-30-2022
(12-30-2022, 04:28 PM)sinisterlee Wrote:[/quote](12-29-2022, 10:53 PM)Username21 Wrote:(12-29-2022, 01:48 AM)mothered Wrote: ^ This Is the most concerning part.
Oh wow i have to say i wasn't expecting this to be said.
In my life i did probably more than 30 meet ups and never had any issues. I usually just pick a somewhat crowded place - for example food courts in the malls. To be honest I've never experienced a single negative outcome of such meeting and i got the full amount every single time.
But you know what, let's say that one meeting turned out to be a set up
What's the worst outcome?
No one will beat you up in a public place.
Your items might get stolen - that is possible and I can easily see that happening, however there is not really a chance for a situation where your getting threatened (for example physical violence) due to other people being around. All I can imagine is someone doing a grab and run. If that's the case, well what is there to say...
Scammer got scammed
(12-26-2022, 09:50 PM)EquitableEngineer Wrote: Very nice thread OP. Have you considered using gift cards to make the purchase on the account? That way after refund you would need to buy a second pair to get your money off the account but i dont see why it would not work. I have had luck doing this with Amazon.Hello my friend
Any idea how many times you can use these single use cards per day / week / month ? There is bound to be some kind of limit.
I'm trying to see if they actually can issue gift cards as a way of refunding an order, Do you maybe have some experience with this on Nike recently?
In terms of set up, I meant LE. Robbed was a seperate point.
Also people might try to pass counterfeit money in a face to face meeting.
Interesting you choose crowded places, I would do the opposite but in a safe area, with an exit strategy planned in advance.
In terms of set up, I meant LE. Robbed was a seperate point.
Also people might try to pass counterfeit money in a face to face meeting.
Interesting you choose crowded places, I would do the opposite but in a safe area, with an exit strategy planned in advance.
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May I ask why would you opt for less crowded places?
I would be definitely doing that when selling electronics with IMEI number - if you are getting caught with this, you might want to call your layer on the spot
However with shoes? I'm talking about some one of one custom shoes that are a holy grail to confectioners but mass produced sneakers distributed by Nike.
Also I don't really understand how would police get involved on this.
I can certainly see it on SE levels - if your OPSEC fails then alright, you might be on their radar.
But let's assume worst case scenario - unmarked police officer arrests you. For what?
There is absolutely no way of them doing this without firstly getting tipped of by nike fraud team, doing their own investigation blah blah blah.
My point is, why would they even need a set-up? And even if they connected every single dot, there is still more than 10.000 of this exact shoe in this size.
Also about receiving counterfeit money - this is totally possible and I agree with it.
I see it a bit as a food chain situation:
Manufactures abuse people to make shoes
Nike Abuses manufactures by paying extremely low (factory's margin is incredibly low, feel free to check that on the internet - I might post a link here later)
We abuse Nike system with social engineering
We get abused with for example counterfeit money, good being stolen etc etc
This list can go even further depending on what guy that stole from us decides to do with them
Moral of the story?
If you don't bring home the bacon, someone else will. Don't get mad over being scammed when you were the one that did exact same thing. --> of course this applies to SE'ed orders
After reading all that one more time, I finally see bad sides of meet-ups. Risk of being caught is higher and that's against good Social Engineers etiquette.