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RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - Jiggly - 10-21-2019
(10-20-2019, 07:12 PM)geyu29 Wrote:(10-18-2019, 03:19 AM)mothered Wrote:(10-17-2019, 04:35 PM)geyu29 Wrote: By making suicide legal, you're giving them an 'option', as if they are not already depressed enough.
I assume they'd be (medical) protocols In place, prior to allowing those who're terminally ill to make their decision.
Perhaps, but that still works around 'risk assessment' it would be measuring how much can/would be done, and a criteria set before they proceed with giving them this option. A person who's unable to move physically or speak, a family member may ask on their behalf, but this new jersey law does state "that a specialist will assess the patients mental capability, they may be referred to a mental health professional" - and these people are not trained for dealing with these issues, how much can you gather from experience and see if the patient really wants to die or can be saved? or give them motivation to live and enjoy however much they have left? the person assessing these patients would they come in a moral conflict with themselves? thats why its receiving so much criticism. Its like a movie isnt it? a wife kills her husband and runs off with the money...
This is not a common practice in the rest of the world, this is a recent phenomenon, very few countries have implemented this, with its own policy and provisions. Its just not necessary, because somebody is in pain, that means they should die? wheres the humanity? the person who's viewing this pain as a spectator, certainly their human nature would oblige them to do everything possible to make that person healthy again, and thats just talking on the physical restrictions of a person, the 'mental' is a whole different scenario, lets not forget americans have a huge drug/pills epidemic and reported cases, next thing they will suggest is allowing prisoners the 'right to die', whichever narrative is more popular with the people, but again you only need enough people and little to no civil disobedience, and if it doesnt damage a politicians reputation. This new generation has become so materialistic and capitalist, so ambitious, that they forget that an assset is also a human being, when you are told that there are no weapons of mass destruction, yet you keep the troops there anyway because the oil companies are investing billions into the economy.
Theres so much to say but first thing that comes to mind is how unnecessary it is, new jersey state calls it "dying with dignity", did they come up with this name while watching a crime thriller!
https://patch.com/new-jersey/pointpleasant/nj-right-die-law-takes-effect-now-16-things-you-need-know
I completely understand your concerns. There are some very real, potential issues with this law. However, I'm 99% certain it was done with humanity in mind. The reality of many terminal illnesses, especially in the very last stages, is pure suffering. Many of us will experience a time in our life where a loved one will be suffering in their last days, with nothing medical science can do to help beyond pumping them with pain meds. At that point, many wish they could take the pain away, and many patients would wish to have that opportunity to make decision so they can pass comfortably, and at their own control.
I believe the aim of this is to give people a chance to pass peacefully, not to choose death over life. Of course, in practice, this could be a very difficult thing to carry out - At what point do we know, with absolutely certainty, that someone will die? At what point have "all reasonable avenues" been exhausted? Then again, what if someone is not prepared to go through experimental drug trials that will cause them to suffer through horrendous side effects, for the sake of exhausting all options? There are many patients that opt out of these things so they can die in peace. On the other hand, there are many patients that simply aren't given access to all medical resources that can help them.
There's a lot to consider.
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - supermonster - 10-24-2019
I was really in favor of patient assisted suicide until I listed to this debate, my mind is changed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhVMII0Ch0
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - geyu29 - 10-28-2019
(10-19-2019, 01:51 AM)rappa Wrote: make sense if the person is in a lot of pain, they shouldn't need to suffer
(10-19-2019, 03:00 AM)Wolfsschanze Wrote: If somebody's terminally ill and in a lot of pain, it would make complete sense that they would want to take the final step towards death and have eternal relief once and for all, because they wouldn't be able to find relief otherwise.
Again so many possibilities to consider. What makes you think that a suffering of a man gives you the right to end their life with/without their input?
If someone whos deeply disturbed mentally be given the choice to end their life because they have had suicidal tendencies in the past.
The human body can only endure so much for so long, and that little timeframe they have time to live and experience, if it were years of pain, they'd likely be in a coma.
By encouraging suicide what kind of society are you going to develop? where death is a norm, insurance companies looking for business opportunities and better profit.
A society where a person is mentally unstable he should be made to feel as a victim of a 'horrible crime', while a person in the middle east or south asia who have a different outlook on death, those who are more religious see it as god's will and consider suicide immoral act in the eyes of god. A godless society where kids are killing themselves because of bullying, that was an epidemic in late 2000s, you dont hear about that much too often today.
Giving normalisation factor to suicide does in no way affect the society in a positive manner. You shouldnt look at one individual but the whole of society.
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - ChristopherHALK - 11-02-2019
TBH, I think this is a stupid idea, but, yes we don't know what they are going through...
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - azozaziz - 11-05-2019
Wow. I feel this is alright since it's their individual
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - mothered - 11-05-2019
(11-02-2019, 10:46 AM)ChristopherHALK Wrote: we don't know what they are going through...
Precisely.
If I were suffering without any possibility of curing my condition, I'd want to end my life as soon as possible.
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - Kludge - 11-05-2019
Suicide is an unlawful offense. Attempting suicide is even illegal, at least in the paper framework where I live.
Nobody has been able to tell me shit so far in life, why should a politician be the one who decides I have to live some more after I've had it with my body being a worthless piece of shit.
Suicide is a human right!
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - rappa - 11-17-2019
(10-28-2019, 09:42 PM)geyu29 Wrote:(10-19-2019, 01:51 AM)rappa Wrote: make sense if the person is in a lot of pain, they shouldn't need to suffer
(10-19-2019, 03:00 AM)Wolfsschanze Wrote: If somebody's terminally ill and in a lot of pain, it would make complete sense that they would want to take the final step towards death and have eternal relief once and for all, because they wouldn't be able to find relief otherwise.
Again so many possibilities to consider. What makes you think that a suffering of a man gives you the right to end their life with/without their input?
If someone whos deeply disturbed mentally be given the choice to end their life because they have had suicidal tendencies in the past.
The human body can only endure so much for so long, and that little timeframe they have time to live and experience, if it were years of pain, they'd likely be in a coma.
By encouraging suicide what kind of society are you going to develop? where death is a norm, insurance companies looking for business opportunities and better profit.
A society where a person is mentally unstable he should be made to feel as a victim of a 'horrible crime', while a person in the middle east or south asia who have a different outlook on death, those who are more religious see it as god's will and consider suicide immoral act in the eyes of god. A godless society where kids are killing themselves because of bullying, that was an epidemic in late 2000s, you dont hear about that much too often today.
Giving normalisation factor to suicide does in no way affect the society in a positive manner. You shouldnt look at one individual but the whole of society.
I didn't say it gives me the right. If they want to die, let them.
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - mothered - 11-18-2019
(11-05-2019, 07:16 AM)Kludge Wrote: why should a politician be the one who decides I have to live some more
Spot-on.
Enough said.
RE: New Jersey "Right To Die" Law - geyu29 - 11-18-2019
(11-17-2019, 11:55 AM)rappa Wrote:Its not just limited to individual choice. The after-effect leads onto worldly issues of societal impact, where it isnt an individual choice, rather how society views it, take motivation from it, be more conformed to pain, be it mental or physical (both are magnetic to eachother).(10-28-2019, 09:42 PM)geyu29 Wrote:(10-19-2019, 01:51 AM)rappa Wrote: make sense if the person is in a lot of pain, they shouldn't need to suffer
(10-19-2019, 03:00 AM)Wolfsschanze Wrote: If somebody's terminally ill and in a lot of pain, it would make complete sense that they would want to take the final step towards death and have eternal relief once and for all, because they wouldn't be able to find relief otherwise.
Again so many possibilities to consider. What makes you think that a suffering of a man gives you the right to end their life with/without their input?
If someone whos deeply disturbed mentally be given the choice to end their life because they have had suicidal tendencies in the past.
The human body can only endure so much for so long, and that little timeframe they have time to live and experience, if it were years of pain, they'd likely be in a coma.
By encouraging suicide what kind of society are you going to develop? where death is a norm, insurance companies looking for business opportunities and better profit.
A society where a person is mentally unstable he should be made to feel as a victim of a 'horrible crime', while a person in the middle east or south asia who have a different outlook on death, those who are more religious see it as god's will and consider suicide immoral act in the eyes of god. A godless society where kids are killing themselves because of bullying, that was an epidemic in late 2000s, you dont hear about that much too often today.
Giving normalisation factor to suicide does in no way affect the society in a positive manner. You shouldnt look at one individual but the whole of society.
I didn't say it gives me the right. If they want to die, let them.
You already have a choice to suicide, the problem with doctor-assisted suicide, is the state is accommodating and providing the tool to end a life, which many specialists call immoral, this is state interference in choice of life or death.
Societies, especially american society which called themselves a holy nation doing god's work have forgotten their religious values in the pursuit of money, which doest take a research to know but here you go - https://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-religious/
This mainly occurring in western societies.
Kids who are killing themselves because they lost somebody they love or broke up with their girlfriend, the older generation were not told they were 'victims' instead they were told that these are part of life, you have to deal with it, its not anything you didnt predict already.
The level of of mental instability, meaning being in your right mind to make a rational decision, or to make a decision for somebody whos in a coma who's unable to communicate, you cant agree or disagree by taking one thing and holding onto it, everything else must be considered into the occasion also, as policy makers do.
Someboy above posted this debate it should provide the intricacies that have to be discussed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhVMII0Ch0