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RE: Religion? - Maximum - 10-29-2015
I don't have a religion nor do I believe in any "gods". I personally think it's silly to believe that people believe in a human-creator for all other humans and I also don't like most religions because they limit your abilities to carry on life and it's also silly to believe in a bible that is based on scripts that is found over the years and its based on multiple languages and on witness testimony.
RE: Religion? - DarkMuse - 10-29-2015
Personally, I have seen the corruption in mankind. I know that people will always change things whether it be purposefully or unknowingly. All these sacred texts, I'm sure, have been modified in some way, shape or form. I was born a Lutheran albeit I am a bastard, and I always believed in what I was taught. What tipped things for me was when I found out about these priests rapping these young boys. How could such pure servants of god do something so horrid. I still believe in God and in the majority of the teachings in addition to the historical fact that Jesus died for peoples' sins. It's really the semantics that I have problems with. I think that the only being that is holy is that of the divine. No mortal should ever be thought to have such power.
TL;DR
I'm an agnostic.
RE: Religion? - Nil - 11-01-2015
(10-29-2015, 12:04 PM)Panther_ Wrote: Mmm yea you brought up the exact problem I have with my point. If you don't believe in a God, then there is little to no reason to follow them. If you don't think you wont be judged, why bother. And you don't have to to be religious to follow them. As I said, I'm not but I still think they are a very good basis for society. Most people follow them already.
I'm not talking about skepticism. What I'm getting at is with out any consequence other than the immediate people will do as they please. Even hard libertarians know that allowing people total freedom is too far. Also, I don't think the burning of "witches" was purely down to religion. More down to stupidity of people I would say. What human rights are you talking about?
I know I didn't address the main point of the post, what are these morals. Because tbh idk, other than general teachings. I knew my argument is flawed because of the second sentence. And I'm still thinking up a better solution to it. It was a half baked response that needs a lot more thought than I have already applied.
I think the fallacy is easy to distinguish in your first paragraph. You essentially state that morality stems from the teachings of the Bible and a belief in a higher power. Where does morality come from from those who don't believe? Your, "why bother", statement shows a lack of education on morality and it's possible origins/evolutions. You leave no room for an alternative source of morality as you're convinced it stems from a supernatural power.
" If you don't believe in a God, then there is little to no reason to follow them. If you don't think you wont be judged, why bother. And you don't have to to be religious to follow them."
This sounds like a contradiction. You don't have to be religious to follow the moral codes, but you also say there's no reason to follow them if you don't believe because there's no fear of judgement.
The Salem Witch Trials was a result of religious extremism and the dangers of religion being enforced by a government. Absolutely, it was due to stupidity, but that is besides the point I was making. The stance that morality is on the decline due to a decline in believers is simply not correct. The Witch Trials was just used as an example because as you say that as time goes on and religion decline, morality follows, yet the morality is very questionable during that time of religious abundance. And that's just one of many examples throughout history.
As for human rights, it's more along the lines of respect and acceptance, and of course marriage equality.
RE: Religion? - Oni - 11-02-2015
(11-01-2015, 11:25 PM)God Wrote: I think the fallacy is easy to distinguish in your first paragraph. You essentially state that morality stems from the teachings of the Bible and a belief in a higher power. Where does morality come from from those who don't believe? Your, "why bother", statement shows a lack of education on morality and it's possible origins/evolutions. You leave no room for an alternative source of morality as you're convinced it stems from a supernatural power.
" If you don't believe in a God, then there is little to no reason to follow them. If you don't think you wont be judged, why bother. And you don't have to to be religious to follow them."
This sounds like a contradiction. You don't have to be religious to follow the moral codes, but you also say there's no reason to follow them if you don't believe because there's no fear of judgement.
The Salem Witch Trials was a result of religious extremism and the dangers of religion being enforced by a government. Absolutely, it was due to stupidity, but that is besides the point I was making. The stance that morality is on the decline due to a decline in believers is simply not correct. The Witch Trials was just used as an example because as you say that as time goes on and religion decline, morality follows, yet the morality is very questionable during that time of religious abundance. And that's just one of many examples throughout history.
As for human rights, it's more along the lines of respect and acceptance, and of course marriage equality.
Salem Witch Trials happened because of political reasons, conflict, and/or people tripping balls on ergot.
RE: Religion? - Skullmeat - 11-02-2015
I don't believe in a god. People who do, in my opinion, look for meaning in their lives, or fear death. None of those things apply to me. I'm in control of my own choices, my own destiny.
RE: Religion? - Nil - 11-02-2015
(11-02-2015, 08:46 AM)Oni Wrote: Salem Witch Trials happened because of political reasons, conflict, and/or people tripping balls on ergot.
Those are several causes also but you can't ignore religion. The strong puritan community was a textbook example of the effects of religious extremism. The fear of the Devil playing a part in their lives and thinking it was trying to destroy their community lead to mass hysteria. These witches were the Devil's puppets and they believed they needed to be eliminated.
RE: Religion? - kms - 11-02-2015
I'm interested in your point of view in regards to the subject.
RE: Religion? - 082106 - 11-26-2015
(10-27-2015, 12:03 AM)XFL Wrote: I won't get into this thread too much but here are my thoughts.
Religion was created to answer questions in the days that our technology wasn't able to.
Religion is outdated, just like Windows XP. Users continue using it, but there are more options for them that may better themselves in the future.
All major religions will be forgotten; just like the ones before them.
I think this is the best answer and my opinion on the question!
RE: Religion? - m0dem - 11-26-2015
You know what I see in this thread: a lot of confusion. Everyone's stumbling over each other.
Shoutout to @Oni. I (as others) am really interested in what your religion is.
RE: Religion? - Pirate - 11-27-2015
I don't believe in any religion, I am an atheist