(12-24-2013, 02:52 AM)Fallen Wrote: Although I personally think that whoever wrote this, wrote it effort-fully with the best of intentions in mind, I find it to be a sort of conversationalist terrorism. By pointing out a logical fallacy, it's simple for the opposing side to present an idea and be dismissed without the notion of the idea actually being considered. However, some of these "logical" fallacies might appear in some points that might be logical in nature, although it possesses a sort of "fallacy" (whatever that words means). This is nonsensical. Who determines a "logical fallacy"? What is the nature of a "logical fallacy"? Etc...

I could go on and on.

There's no objective way of knowing and ruling. In the end, nothing matters. At least, for me.

(12-24-2013, 02:52 AM)Fallen Wrote: Although I personally think that whoever wrote this, wrote it effort-fully with the best of intentions in mind, I find it to be a sort of conversationalist terrorism. By pointing out a logical fallacy, it's simple for the opposing side to present an idea and be dismissed without the notion of the idea actually being considered. However, some of these "logical" fallacies might appear in some points that might be logical in nature, although it possesses a sort of "fallacy" (whatever that words means). This is nonsensical. Who determines a "logical fallacy"? What is the nature of a "logical fallacy"? Etc...

I could go on and on.

There's no objective way of knowing and ruling. In the end, nothing matters. At least, for me.

(12-24-2013, 08:12 AM)Singularity Wrote: 16. The Fallacy Fallacy
Presuming a claim to be necessarily wrong because a fallacy has been committed.
It is entirely possible to make a claim that is false yet argue with logical coherency for that claim, just as it is possible to make a claim that is true and justify it with various fallacies and poor arguments.
Example: Recognizing that Erika had committed a fallacy in arguing that we should eat healthy food because a nutritionist said it was popular, Victoria said we should therefore eat bacon double cheeseburgers every day.

You seem to base your points on asking the "true meaning" on words.
I suggest you get a dictionary.

(12-24-2013, 08:15 AM)Leader Wrote: Logic determines logical fallacies.

Quote:You seem to base your points on asking the "true meaning" on words.

(12-24-2013, 04:08 PM)Fallen Wrote: Your explanation is impredicative.

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Actually, I wouldn't say I'm trying to base any "points" off of anything. I simply want to know inherent truths that appear to be so evidently discoverable by the usage of a dictionary, but it would appear that no one questions anything written down in those books. Would it not be possible that a dictionary's definition does not truly satisfy a philosophical approach to an issue?

Quote:By pointing out a logical fallacy, it's simple for the opposing side to present an idea and be dismissed without the notion of the idea actually being considered. However, some of these "logical" fallacies might appear in some points that might be logical in nature, although it possesses a sort of "fallacy" (whatever that words means). This is nonsensical.

Quote:Fallacies are arguments that use poor reasoning and logic. When I said logic determines what a fallacy is, I meant it. I suggest learning more about what a fallacy is, rather than trying to dismantle an argument by suggesting that accepted logic can be refuted.

Quote:You're describing the argument from fallacy, which is indeed a fallacy, and not a valid argument. I do not understand the point that you are trying to make.

(12-24-2013, 06:37 PM)Fallen Wrote: Do you not understand what impredicative means?

Quote:There may or may not be a point that I may or may not be making.

Quote: If you don't clearly outline or define your points, you will not have a strong argument.

Quote:mistaken belief

Quote:unsound

(12-24-2013, 07:35 PM)Fallen Wrote: I'm not arguing with you.


How can a belief be mistaken? Inherently, what does belief mean? Why are beliefs mistaken? What circumstances is a belief mistaken? Who decides that belief is mistaken?


An unsound argument sounds like a subjective matter to me. Your definition is nothing more than a preferential state of mind, which may or may not be defended.