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RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Harvey - 08-04-2013
I know what you mean. I personally think the thought of leaving this Earth is terrifying. There's so much more to do! But then I think, well, if I am dead, I have absolutely no recollection of rememberance of that thought.
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Bliss - 08-04-2013
(08-04-2013, 03:19 PM)Harvey Wrote:(08-04-2013, 03:13 PM)Bliss Wrote:(08-04-2013, 03:09 PM)Harvey Wrote: People see dying and nothing happening as a very sad and gloomy prospect, however, if you put some thought to it, you don't actually experience it. There is no longing for life again. There is no "oh it's a shame life ended". There is purely nothing. Nothing to be pessimistic about either.
For me it's more the fact of missing out on the things thousands of years down the line, and maybe not getting to do everything you want to. Another depressing thought is that one thousand years down the line apart from on the records, no one will really know you existed. Unless you've done something epic.
That's the thought of dying. When you're dead it doesn't matter. What you're saying is the thought of dying is depressing. It's a depressing thought to leave this world without having done what you wanted/being forgotten, but when your time actually comes, you won't ever remember having that thought. You won't exist.
Your right, being dead is even rather peaceful. It's just the thought.
When 1 million years has passed, will have what you have done even matter? That's another depressing thought. It's kind of like saying, "if there's a noise in the woods and nothing is there to hear it, did it really happen?" Obviously some things you do like having children will have an impact for years to come, but you won't have existed to the world come 1 million years.
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Harvey - 08-04-2013
Yep, and that's why I think it's important we enjoy life, whatever life is. Because when we go to sleep and never wake up, nothing else matters.
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Nil - 08-04-2013
Well, I'd just like to add a little twist to your viewpoint to give us something to think about. God, by his very definition, will know when you will die, when you will be saved...etc Someone pronounced clinically dead may be dead to his peers, but God will know he will be revived. In that case, he wouldn't bother sending him to heaven/hell, or allowing him to see anything supernatural. It would be pointless, and he knows better.
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Bliss - 08-04-2013
(08-04-2013, 03:53 PM)Harvey Wrote: Yep, and that's why I think it's important we enjoy life, whatever life is. Because when we go to sleep and never wake up, nothing else matters.
It also gets you thinking about the point of life. For example, you have loads of dreams every night and don't remember them. If no one remembered any dreams, some people wouldn't even care about having nightmares. When you die you won't remember anything and although you can't think of anything everything that has ever happened sort of becomes worthless.
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Nil - 08-04-2013
(08-04-2013, 05:22 PM)Bliss Wrote:(08-04-2013, 03:53 PM)Harvey Wrote: Yep, and that's why I think it's important we enjoy life, whatever life is. Because when we go to sleep and never wake up, nothing else matters.
It also gets you thinking about the point of life. For example, you have loads of dreams every night and don't remember them. If no one remembered any dreams, some people wouldn't even care about having nightmares. When you die you won't remember anything and although you can't think of anything everything that has ever happened sort of becomes worthless.
I had trouble following this. :confuse:
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Bliss - 08-04-2013
(08-04-2013, 09:42 PM)Chaos Wrote:(08-04-2013, 05:22 PM)Bliss Wrote:(08-04-2013, 03:53 PM)Harvey Wrote: Yep, and that's why I think it's important we enjoy life, whatever life is. Because when we go to sleep and never wake up, nothing else matters.
It also gets you thinking about the point of life. For example, you have loads of dreams every night and don't remember them. If no one remembered any dreams, some people wouldn't even care about having nightmares. When you die you won't remember anything and although you can't think of anything everything that has ever happened sort of becomes worthless.
I had trouble following this. :confuse:
You could say the type of dream you had didn't matter if you don't remember it when you wake up. So you could say life doesn't matter as you won't remember it when you die.
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Eclipse - 08-04-2013
(08-04-2013, 10:50 PM)Bliss Wrote:(08-04-2013, 09:42 PM)Chaos Wrote:(08-04-2013, 05:22 PM)Bliss Wrote: It also gets you thinking about the point of life. For example, you have loads of dreams every night and don't remember them. If no one remembered any dreams, some people wouldn't even care about having nightmares. When you die you won't remember anything and although you can't think of anything everything that has ever happened sort of becomes worthless.
I had trouble following this. :confuse:
You could say the type of dream you had didn't matter if you don't remember it when you wake up. So you could say life doesn't matter as you won't remember it when you die.
Good point. But what if there is a god? What if when someone is clinically dead but when and if they are revived, they did not see anything because it was not their time?
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Bliss - 08-04-2013
(08-04-2013, 11:08 PM)Sparks Wrote:(08-04-2013, 10:50 PM)Bliss Wrote:(08-04-2013, 09:42 PM)Chaos Wrote: I had trouble following this. :confuse:
You could say the type of dream you had didn't matter if you don't remember it when you wake up. So you could say life doesn't matter as you won't remember it when you die.
Good point. But what if there is a god? What if when someone is clinically dead but when and if they are revived, they did not see anything because it was not their time?
There have been cases of people being revived after being "dead" for hours. There actually are some people who have been pronounced dead to be revived and they say they see light etc...Probably just on the wind up or looking for attention. But if something did happen after death, with the amount of people who have been brought back from the dead (some even hours) then surely someone would have been able to tell us by now? Not the attention seekers that each have totally different stories.
RE: [Philosophy] Relationship between death, consciousness, and the afterlife - Eclipse - 08-05-2013
(08-04-2013, 11:42 PM)Bliss Wrote:(08-04-2013, 11:08 PM)Sparks Wrote:(08-04-2013, 10:50 PM)Bliss Wrote: You could say the type of dream you had didn't matter if you don't remember it when you wake up. So you could say life doesn't matter as you won't remember it when you die.
Good point. But what if there is a god? What if when someone is clinically dead but when and if they are revived, they did not see anything because it was not their time?
There have been cases of people being revived after being "dead" for hours. There actually are some people who have been pronounced dead to be revived and they say they see light etc...Probably just on the wind up or looking for attention. But if something did happen after death, with the amount of people who have been brought back from the dead (some even hours) then surely someone would have been able to tell us by now? Not the attention seekers that each have totally different stories.
I see your point but if it was not their time then maybe god said or willed for them not to. Or maybe they see something but do not remember. Like a dream.