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SE'ing questions - K03NT3S31N - 08-08-2021
Hello, I would like to buy a Dashcam for 90 € at Amazon. The Account is in good standing (9 payments in 2021, Last Refund in 2019). In my SE career, I have only experience with DNA so far, so I would probably use this method for the Dashcam.
But I also read myself a bit on the Socialengineers.net page and dealing with other methods. After reading a few, questions have come up:
1. When do you use the 'Boxing Method' and when the 'Sealed Box Method'? Actually, these two methods differ only in that you want to disguise at the Sealed Box Method that the package has ever been opened, or not? In the boxing method you want to show that the package was openend, right?
2. I also want to familiarize myself a little with other methods. My first thought for beginners was the SN / Gift method. Any tips how to start with these? I've already read how to fake online / in-door receipts and corrupted files etc.
Thanks for reading and tips, I appreciate it!
RE: SE'ing questions - mothered - 08-08-2021
Quote: When do you use the 'Boxing Method' and when the 'Sealed Box Method'? Actually, these two methods differ only in that you want to disguise at the Sealed Box Method that the package has ever been opened, or not? In the boxing method you want to show that the package was openend, right?You're correct with the principle of each method.
Here's a very brief and simple explanation:
* Boxing method - The package/box Is returned without the Item, by giving the Impression as though It was tampered with while In transit, hence the Item was stolen before the company receives It. As long as they're liable for loss of goods during shipment, you're good to go.
* The sealed box method - The original Item Is replaced with anything of equal weight and resealed as per Its factory state without any signs of Inconsistences. The objective Is for the company to scan the return (assuming the box hasn't been touched), place It back Into stock and Issue a refund thereafter.
Quote:I also want to familiarize myself a little with other methods. My first thought for beginners was the SN / Gift method. Any tips how to start with these?Apart from the DNA and the sealed box, the method Is always based on the nature of the Item. Once you select It, make a list of compatible methods and then eliminate the cons until you end up with the one that has the biggest advantage over the others.
The serial number method purely Involves SEing with a serial number that's still under warranty. There's no upfront cost. As for the gift method, It's pretty self-explanatory, but most companies will ask for a POP, which you'll need to circumvent their request.
RE: SE'ing questions - K03NT3S31N - 08-08-2021
@mothered Thanks for the answer, how is it currently with Amazon SE'es? I heard they changed their policies.
RE: SE'ing questions - tokintutor - 08-08-2021
(08-08-2021, 05:03 PM)mothered Wrote:Quote: When do you use the 'Boxing Method' and when the 'Sealed Box Method'? Actually, these two methods differ only in that you want to disguise at the Sealed Box Method that the package has ever been opened, or not? In the boxing method you want to show that the package was openend, right?You're correct with the principle of each method.
Here's a very brief and simple explanation:
* Boxing method - The package/box Is returned without the Item, by giving the Impression as though It was tampered with while In transit, hence the Item was stolen before the company receives It. As long as they're liable for loss of goods during shipment, you're good to go.
* The sealed box method - The original Item Is replaced with anything of equal weight and resealed as per Its factory state without any signs of Inconsistences. The objective Is for the company to scan the return (assuming the box hasn't been touched), place It back Into stock and Issue a refund thereafter.
Quote:I also want to familiarize myself a little with other methods. My first thought for beginners was the SN / Gift method. Any tips how to start with these?Apart from the DNA and the sealed box, the method Is always based on the nature of the Item. Once you select It, make a list of compatible methods and then eliminate the cons until you end up with the one that has the biggest advantage over the others.
The serial number method purely Involves SEing with a serial number that's still under warranty. There's no upfront cost. As for the gift method, It's pretty self-explanatory, but most companies will ask for a POP, which you'll need to circumvent their request.
hey mothered hope your doing well do you have a minute or two to help me out with your knowledge you could save me hours of research I came across a perfect chain of events and opportunity laid out for me the is perfect so I usually stick to my good ole methods and they always take care of me if I take care in them but yesterday I had someone hit me up on a market place and wanted me to buy his camera at first I was gonna say no but I looked at his post and noticed he had 2 for sale with 1 lense the cheaper camera idc about but the other one is pretty much the second most expensive camera in the market and the lense is well over 2k so I got to the last photo and I noticed he had the sn and everything for both the items in clear view and had boxes with barcodes and everything id need to hit a sn se with it but I have never done it before only heard and read about it I understand the basics tho so I messged him but thought maybe it was hot or something but turns out its pretty much brand new only used once and purchased it this year so its still in warranty so I talked to him and got him to send me a picture of the receipt resent 2 clear as day photos with sn and all on it so I took all that info and created an account with Sony and registered the devices under my make successfully but im not sure the best way to move forward I read all the terms and conditions an warranty info and and seems like they do offer advanced exchange but they try to repair as much as they can first im only shooting to get the camera done since its my first time doing it and I didnt have time prepare im right in the middle of 3 other refunds so I wanna get it done quick and smooth I noticed the camera model was discontinued this year and its gone up in value cause no one can buy them new any more so I planned on using the same issue it was discontinued for as the reason for the claim but I need some help on how to go from here and get it finished I know you will know better on what to do lol sorry for the long ass msg thanks bud
RE: SE'ing questions - K03NT3S31N - 08-08-2021
Quote:hey mothered hope your doing well do you have a [...]
I would open a new thread for your SE / question.
PS: Full stop and comma is also a good choice. ;)
EDIT: He already opened a new thread.
RE: SE'ing questions - mothered - 08-09-2021
(08-08-2021, 05:39 PM)K03NT3S31N Wrote: how is it currently with Amazon SE'es? I heard they changed their policies.Amazon Is still the preferred choice with the majority of SE'ers.
Every company changes their policy (to some degree) from time to time, so what exactly did you hear and from whom?
RE: SE'ing questions - K03NT3S31N - 08-09-2021
Quote:Every company changes their policy (to some degree) from time to time, so what exactly did you hear and from whom?I dont know anymore, but an other question: Since my Amazon account is in good standing, I might use my next SE for a new PC instead of the Dashcam. The PC is obviously too heavy for missing item, would DNA be a good idea, since the value of the item is around 2500-3000€?
RE: SE'ing questions - mothered - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 04:07 PM)K03NT3S31N Wrote: Since my Amazon account is in good standing, I might use my next SE for a new PC instead of the Dashcam. The PC is obviously too heavy for missing item, would DNA be a good idea, since the value of the item is around 2500-3000€?The DNA Is a carrier-based method, that's suited to just about any company that utilizes a carrier partner to service their deliveries.
Be sure an OTP (One-Time Password) Is not required on delivery. Also, given the value of the Item and the nature of the DNA method, an Investigation Is almost a certainty so be prepared for a lengthy claims process.
RE: SE'ing questions - K03NT3S31N - 08-09-2021
Quote:The DNA Is a carrier-based method, that's suited to just about any company that utilizes a carrier partner to service their deliveries.
Be sure an OTP (One-Time Password) Is not required on delivery. Also, given the value of the Item and the nature of the DNA method, an Investigation Is almost a certainty so be prepared for a lengthy claims process.
I think then a PR is also very likely. Any alternatives?
EDIT: @mothered tagged you because you might did not see my reply.
RE: SE'ing questions - mothered - 08-10-2021
(08-09-2021, 04:58 PM)K03NT3S31N Wrote: I think then a PR is also very likely. Any alternatives?A police report Is used for administration purposes to move forward with your claim, so It's fine to go ahead and file It.