[dsad32323]

Can I se an order no problem that is $480 on an account that is 2 and a half years old with about 10 orders?(amazon). If so, what methods is best, its for xbox one x

[AllWrappedUp]

Have you got any method/company for a UK Camera refund/SE?

[Jagd93]

This may have been asked before but how many times would you recommend that someone use the Amazon refund method on the same account? I've done it 3 times so far, the most expensive item being worth approximately $300. I want to do my fourth refund but wonder if my account already has some sort of red flag on it. The item I am planning to do it on would be worth around $100 -150.

[syrold]

Does Amazon actually ban your physical address if you SE a lot?

[Xenpai]

hello im new here, what do u mean by SE'ing on amazon? how? before i thought SE is used on gaining passwords etc. then i found this, can you please tell me how things work here? thank you very much in advance

[mothered]

hello im new here, what do u mean by SE'ing on amazon? how? before i thought SE is used on gaining passwords etc. then i found this, can you please tell me how things work here? thank you very much in advance

If I may, I shall answer your question.

To clarify the true definition of social engineering, I've defined It In this thread a little while back. I'll also provide It here as follows.

Allow me to clarify a few things here with social engineering. There's a lot people who do In fact completely overlook the SEing side of It, and only take the "end result" Into account hence deem It as no relevance to social engineering.

Simply put and In general terms, SEing Is manipulating the person on the other end Into doing something they're not supposed to do. The end result Is Immaterial. It's the methodology used to achieve the end result that's classed as social engineering.

For example:

(1). You obtain personal Information and credentials such as family names, given names, addresses, date of births, phone number,s bank account name & numbers, merchant Ids, Inter-company codes, usernames & passwords, CC numbers, CC account holder, expiration dates, CVV numbers and the list goes on.
This was performed via person-to-person contact over the phone.
The methodology used to obtain this Information, Is social engineering. Not the end result.

(2). You've been authorized access to a restricted building, bypassing the building's entry code.
This was performed by assuming the role of an employee, dressed accordingly In a suit, wearing (what appeared to be) an authenticated ID and as such, another employee left the door ajar for you and you've walked Into the building.
The methodology used to gain access to the restricted building, Is social engineering. The end result Isn't.

(3). In the case of "Amazon" on this board. The methodology used to steal the Item In question, Is classed as social engineering. The end result Is not.
Yes (where applicable), I agree It Is stealing  there's no question about It, but Identifying the vulnerability(s) of the person on the other end, exploiting those vulnerabilities (hence circumventing the human firewall) and getting the person to do something they're not supposed to do (refund/replace the Item) Is social engineering. The end result Is not.

As you can see, the results of all analogies above have a different outcome. However, the key element Is the methods used to get the result- all of which pertain to social engineering.

[Xenpai]

oh i see, thank you , but ....how? i tried SE on some people on very basic/low level, like gaining some infos about them, but not to "steal" or get an actual item, wont amazon ask for some kind of verification ?

[uberseb]

Do you have any idea why Bestbuy / APple keeps cancelling my orders? have tried different payment methods, verified information on all of them and still have issues.

[DragonicRek]

oh i see, thank you , but ....how? i tried SE on some people on very basic/low level, like gaining some infos about them, but not to "steal"  or get an actual item, wont amazon ask for some kind of verification ?

As a social engineer , that is on you to find a backway

[zann699]

Title says it all. If you have any questions about SEing, refunding or social manipulation, please leave a reply.

Don't ask oblivious questions such as "how do I SE Starbucks" or "is steelseries still possible" as they obviously are.

Got an idea from a different member.

Copscalled.

How do you SE $7,000 plane tickets?
Thats ballsy
In terms of monetary value, what's the most you've SE'd in one go?

In terms of SE around 7000$, I’ve refunded 2000$ via amazon. The 7000$ SE was with plane tickets, and the refund was with a fireplace.