[Oni]

It actually isn't that hard to see a logical reason to leave the EU.

Countries that are a part of the EU are required to pass any laws that the EU wants them to which means that the country itself doesn't control its own laws, it looses the right so set forth their own rules and laws on a lot of matters that are important and required to follow the EU decision on it. A good example is for how long ISP and internet traffic logs are stored, that is entirely laws that the UK has to follow and set because of the EU.

You see where I am going with this ?

This could in theory become a disaster but can be really good. But the view of the people in the country isn't taken into account with these laws. They just don't have a choice if they want to be in the EU.

Now there is a membership fee in the EU too but extra cost into negotiation for extradition of criminals and so on would increase if you leave.

There are other reasons to leave that I do not know. But in my honest opinion, I really dislike the fact that the EU can control so much of laws with in the countries that are a member of it.

There are a lot of things you need to consider. It isn't just black on white.

@Jiggly argued it would harm farmers and importing/exporting goods would cost you guys more. Do you agree?

[Loki123]

@Jiggly argued it would harm farmers and importing/exporting goods would cost you guys more. Do you agree?

http://www.betteroffout.net/why-british-...r-off-out/

Of course, this isn't everything to think about and certainly as the name of the site suggests it is only reasons to leave. Even the minister of farming has said it would be better for farmers to be outside of the EU.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2...-of-the-eu

I would say it won't be as drastic as some say, the change that is. It will affect farmers but I don't think it will be for the worse as drastically as said sometimes.

The biggest issue for farmers is the 7% of the cake the EU gives out to farming. ~ 2.5bp could be covered in different ways. As said in the news article I linked to, the UK pays about 18bp to the EU per year. They can find the money to put into farming so my conclusion is that it won't change a bit for farmers as long as the money is put towards them.

About importing goods and the cost of it. This depends on what contracts the UK can make with countries about that. But it also means that the UK are in control of from where the most trading goes on. The UK could try to come to an agreement with the EU for preferential trading such as Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and others, so it doesn't have to change at all. So it depends on what route the UK takes, if they come to an agreement with the EU, it doesn't have to change.

[Jiggly]

It actually isn't that hard to see a logical reason to leave the EU.

Countries that are a part of the EU are required to pass any laws that the EU wants them to which means that the country itself doesn't control its own laws, it looses the right so set forth their own rules and laws on a lot of matters that are important and required to follow the EU decision on it. A good example is for how long ISP and internet traffic logs are stored, that is entirely laws that the UK has to follow and set because of the EU.

You see where I am going with this ?

This could in theory become a disaster but can be really good. But the view of the people in the country isn't taken into account with these laws. They just don't have a choice if they want to be in the EU.

Now there is a membership fee in the EU too but extra cost into negotiation for extradition of criminals and so on would increase if you leave.

There are other reasons to leave that I do not know. But in my honest opinion, I really dislike the fact that the EU can control so much of laws with in the countries that are a member of it.

There are a lot of things you need to consider. It isn't just black on white.

Thank you for a good response there. I feel like there are a lot of unknowns but things that could lead to something better... Or may not. I'm still not sure and need to read up more. I was aware of the criminals membership, then again, wouldn't our borders be tighter?

How much of the plans in the stance of leaving are long term and beneficial? I can see why control with laws is not so great, but I guess it is also the weighing of pros and cons. Is it financially viable too? I do not know the answer to many of my questions.

[Oni]

http://www.betteroffout.net/why-british-...r-off-out/

Of course, this isn't everything to think about and certainly as the name of the site suggests it is only reasons to leave. Even the minister of farming has said it would be better for farmers to be outside of the EU.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2...-of-the-eu

I would say it won't be as drastic as some say, the change that is. It will affect farmers but I don't think it will be for the worse as drastically as said sometimes.

The biggest issue for farmers is the 7% of the cake the EU gives out to farming. ~ 2.5bp could be covered in different ways. As said in the news article I linked to, the UK pays about 18bp to the EU per year. They can find the money to put into farming so my conclusion is that it won't change a bit for farmers as long as the money is put towards them.

About importing goods and the cost of it. This depends on what contracts the UK can make with countries about that. But it also means that the UK are in control of from where the most trading goes on. The UK could try to come to an agreement with the EU for preferential trading such as Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and others, so it doesn't have to change at all. So it depends on what route the UK takes, if they come to an agreement with the EU, it doesn't have to change.

Thanks. I told her similar.

Spoiler:

EU is a shit.

[Loki123]

Thank you for a good response there. I feel like there are a lot of unknowns but things that could lead to something better... Or may not. I'm still not sure and need to read up more. I was aware of the criminals membership, then again, wouldn't our borders be tighter?

How much of the plans in the stance of leaving are long term and beneficial? I can see why control with laws is not so great, but I guess it is also the weighing of pros and cons. Is it financially viable too? I do not know the answer to many of my questions.

Yes, boarder control could go back into your hands instead of being forced obey because of EU membership. However, as previously mentioned this is, as well, something that the UK might sign away for preferential trading and other deals that can be made with the EU. But it means that the UK has a lot more control over its borders.

About if it is financially viable, then I can't see why it isn't. You are currently paying a lot to the EU. I'd like to know what of that 18bp members fee you actually get back and what you get for it. Is it truly worth being in the EU ? Keep in mind that countries like Switzerland, Iceland, Norway aren't in the EU. Switzerland is probably in the best financial situation they could be in. So, yes, it is financially viable.

But like you said, it comes down to pros and cons.

[Jiggly]

Yes, boarder control could go back into your hands instead of being forced obey because of EU membership. However, as previously mentioned this is, as well, something that the UK might sign away for preferential trading and other deals that can be made with the EU. But it means that the UK has a lot more control over its borders.

About if it is financially viable, then I can't see why it isn't. You are currently paying a lot to the EU. I'd like to know what of that 18bp members fee you actually get back and what you get for it. Is it truly worth being in the EU ? Keep in mind that countries like Switzerland, Iceland, Norway aren't in the EU. Switzerland is probably in the best financial situation they could be in. So, yes, it is financially viable.

But like you said, it comes down to pros and cons.

That's true... Although, I hope people don't get more up themselves about immigration. I find that people are very quick to judge either way without education on the matter. I suppose that's what I dislike about Britain. We are quick to complain when we haven't researched the matter. That tampon tax thing is only still taxed due to the EU blocking any zero-rate tax additions since the 70s. I wonder if that will change?

Thanks - I wish I knew more really. I'd love to see how it really balances out.