[sskonch]

Hello everyone! This is the first topic I'm creating, so if I’ve made any mistakes — I apologize in advance.

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I’ve been involved in social engineering across various stores for quite some time now and have had some success. However, I’m always looking to improve my skills, and recently, I’ve become interested in the realm of luxury brands, particularly those like Cartier.

What appeals to me most is that you can significantly reduce the time and effort involved by building a solid chain of actions and continuously refining it. Instead of making 20 orders a month, constantly searching for new banks, and tracking all the processes, I could place just 2-3 orders a month and earn the same amount, or even more. At the same time, there’s no need to keep all the details in mind, even when keeping a journal.

For me, this sounds very appealing, which is why I’d like to hear advice from people who have experience in this field — luxury clothing and jewelry. How did it all go for you? Thanks in advance for your replies!

In turn, I’d like to share how I see the execution of the attack vector based on my own experience. As an example, I’ll use a Cartier watch, although the specific item doesn’t matter much according to my method — I just happen to like the brand.

First, I would choose the product and its price. For my first attempt, I’d pick a Cartier watch worth around $5,000. The next step would be to choose the method — in my case, this would be the RTS + Delivery method, implemented through scanning, using the services of a boxer.

I would make the payment specifically through PayPal, as PayPal would likely be the platform to assist with escalating the claim.

I chose the RTS method because, in my opinion, it’s more effective than the LIT method (also using scanning). If the package gets lost in transit, the responsibility lies with the delivery service, and I’m not sure a claim against the store would be successful, as they aren’t at fault. However, I could be wrong since in such cases the loss might be covered by the insurance company.

The RTS + Delivery method, in my view, creates a solid argument in my favor because, in this case, the responsibility for the delivery falls on the store itself. The tracking would show that I refused to accept the package, and the item was returned to the sender. If the watch then "disappears" after being "delivered" back to the warehouse, this would serve as a strong argument in my PayPal dispute.

The main question is whether this evidence would be enough to win the case? And how important would the age of my PayPal account be? On one hand, it would be better to have a "warmed-up" PayPal account with an active history (which is important for the PayPal UA method, although I’m not considering it). On the other hand, I’m just a regular customer who has encountered a force majeure situation, and I’m not at fault here. It just so happened that I registered PayPal specifically for this payment.

I hope that those with more experience than me won’t feel the need to criticize me for any mistakes I may have made in this post. Therefore, I hope for your feedback and look forward to your advice and thoughts on this matter! Thanks again!

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[rcottsinker]

following, also interested in learning.

My one question for you is this: Usually companies shipping out items more than 1k USD require signature at the time of delivery. Given that its safest to use a drop address for big purchases like this, how would you bypass the signature required?