[johnpapi21]

Thanks all for any insight, and for everything you're doing.

[Tondor]

If you ask me these are pretty general questions and it depends on the individual company.

Personally, I would want to experience all these eventualities in practice. Because often it's just unnecessary thoughts that distract us from actually doing something. As long as we stay under the radar and don't exaggerate, we're just normal people who want a refund.

[mothered]

How paranoid should we be?

To the point of ensuring a safe and secure environment In all facets of our social engineering activities and behavior.

[johnpapi21]

How paranoid should we be?

To the point of ensuring a safe and secure environment In all facets of our social engineering activities and behavior.

Agreed - that was the motivation behind creating this topic. If this forum, and your SE blog, highlight the relative low risk of SE while also pointing out the few practices that do legally trip up those in the field, it will welcome more into the community and increase the success rate of those who have joined.

Love your work Mothered!

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If you ask me these are pretty general questions and it depends on the individual company.

Personally, I would want to experience all these eventualities in practice. Because often it's just unnecessary thoughts that distract us from actually doing something. As long as we stay under the radar and don't exaggerate, we're just normal people who want a refund.

Here is an example -

A user has SE'd company A twice - once with FTID, once with an EB return. Both times, the user has to contact the company to report the issue, and initiate the new product being shipped to them.

Should the user call from two different phone lines? Should the user be concerned about calling the company twice? Should the user use a new drop address for their next (third) attempt?

I see a lot of bravado on here which I applaud but intelligence caution is what I'm trying to cultivate.

[Quitelargegenitalman]

I heard if you smoke a little weed it will reduce the paranoia.

[mothered]

Agreed - that was the motivation behind creating this topic. If this forum, and your SE blog, highlight the relative low risk of SE while also pointing out the few practices that do legally trip up those in the field, it will welcome  more into the community and increase the success rate of those who have joined.

Well said.

Love your work Mothered!

Thank you.

[Oni]

If you're doing anything unsavory, keep in mind what's being logged/recorded. While I'm sure people have packages go missing occasionally, people that do too many claims often get caught.

The tip of the iceberg:

• Name
  
• Email
  
• IP addresses
  
• Physical addresses
  
• Payment methods
  
• Police reports
  
• Call recordings
  
• Chat transcripts

I heard if you smoke a little weed it will reduce the paranoia.

Then they can catch you for possession AND a failed FTID.

[mothered]

AND a failed FTID.

Paranoia multiplied ten-fold.

[BetterThings2]

My humble opinion on this topic is that as long as you are not hitting the same companies back to back all the time, using the FTID "method", dna'ing the same carrier all the time, overusing chargebacks etc you should be fine. With this, not getting greedy is the name of the game. The people you hear getting caught up are 99% of the time people who hit a single company for tens of thousands of dollars in a short amount of time with no legit purchases in between, as well as putting incindiary devices in packages to attempt a Lost In Transit Method.

[johnpapi21]

My humble opinion on this topic is that as long as you are not hitting the same companies back to back all the time, using the FTID "method", dna'ing the same carrier all the time, overusing  chargebacks etc you should be fine.  With this, not getting greedy is the name of the game.  The people you hear getting caught up are 99% of the time people who hit a single company for tens of thousands of dollars in a short amount of time with no legit purchases in between, as well as putting incindiary devices in packages to attempt a Lost In Transit Method.

LOLLLL please tell me someone actually tried to put a bomb in their package for a LIT win. Didn't get their Airpod Pro's, but did get confused as the next unabomber, I'm sure.

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If you're doing anything unsavory, keep in mind what's being logged/recorded. While I'm sure people have packages go missing occasionally, people that do too many claims often get caught.

The tip of the iceberg:

• Name
  
• Email
  
• IP addresses
  
• Physical addresses
  
• Payment methods
  
• Police reports
  
• Call recordings
  
• Chat transcripts
  

I heard if you smoke a little weed it will reduce the paranoia.

Then they can catch you for possession AND a failed FTID.

Thanks for your response. It sounds like you do believe call recordings and chat transcripts are of concern - however, it does sound like most of these are related to the DNA method which is not very sound to me and seems to be riskiest method.

I feel like there are only so many 'whoopsies' moments you can have at the same address.