[Scorpio]

Hi Sinister Members!

Well this is gonna be a mid-long post I guess so be patient, indulgent because many of you are going to find some of my sentences or questions dumb but since I'm a "noob" in the SE domain, I would like to have the most information I can

Alright, so I'm actually in the US for some months and I heard a lot about all of the Refund and SE stuff, I know these two terms are really different and here I want to focus on the SE, but gather some information about Refund could be great too btw.

Since i'm on this continent I would like to take the time to do some pretty cool stuff and see if I can earn some money from it or just maybe got some stuff for myself.

So I tried last week to SE logitech because actually I need a mouse to play and finally after one week I received the Logitech approval by email yesterday and now Im just waiting for the tracking email so that's a good news because it's the G903 and it's the most expensive gaming mouse from them so It's pretty cool.
But right now I want to do more thing but avoid to be too much greedy! That's why I have some questions and I need your help.

I'm interested in doing this thing for a mouse pad like the Powerplay from Logitech and a Headset for example
Maybe from Steelseries too just to try if it works for the Mouse Rival 600 but apparently they are harder to do
And a GPU / CPU to resell it
I also heard about Amazon which apparently are not that hard depending the amount of your package

So my questions are:
- Should I use a VPN to do all of my stuff online like ordering or sign in for anything?
- Now that Ive used my current phone, how Can I use a different phone number? I heard about Google Voice / OnOff but don't really know about how "spoof" works, is that hard?
- How do you deal with the Name / Delivery Address? Because I only have one house of course (an apartment) and only one name xD so how do you deal with that?

I want to be the most Anonymous I can in order to avoid any problem

And regarding the methods, do you use everytime the same? Like for example:

- You order 2 items in the same package, how do you manage to get them in the same parcel? Is that an option?
- And you say you only got one item in the parcel, the X is missing,
Does that really work? what kind of questions the REP asked you in return to verify?

And for the SE, what's for you the best companies to do? I really want to try Steelseries but I want to avoid any RMA process because I don't want to be link with my address or something
What about Sennheiser?

Thanks a lot for your help by the way I try to learn as much as I can thanks to you

[relaxed state]

1. Getting a VPN that doesn't keep logs would be ideal since you will be doing multiple places and just doing this once could get you hemmed up if you mess up somewhere but you've already gotten your first item done so you are on the right track.
2. I'm not sure how Spoofs work either (Shouldn't be hard to do with a little bit of searching around). You should be fine with just using Google Voice since you can get rid of that # you used and grab another of similar characteristics. Creating a gmail acct just for voice, not connected to anything, is also a great idea to keep yourself safe.
3. There's a few houses around me that are "empty/foreclosed" so I just get the packages sent there under a fake, realistic/kinda generic, sounding name. You could try adding extra #/letters onto your apt name or something but I highly suggest searching up vacant residencies around you and using those instead of your actual address b/c there's no room for error when using your real address.

1. I only use the same method(s) if they permit, such as a product made by multiple companies with similar characteristics. IE: A Drone
2. This method works but there is no one size fits all answer for every company because many of them haves different policies and terms & conditions. You will need to do your own recon for that information IE: Calling up or emailing the company under an inquiry guise then implementing it into your SE.

Getting an encrypted email account is also a great idea
Always remember to "Stay Paranoid" (Dbl, Triple, Quadtuple check) while doing this type of thing.
2 other things to remember, get your shit in bulk or just for yourself at first b/c even if you decide against scaling your SE you have what you want for yourself already and can avoid being greedy or overconfident, which are the biggest 2 things that gets anyone doing illicit activities hemmed up.

Godspeed ahead kind human.

[mothered]

and can avoid being greedy

This.

Identifying when enough Is enough, Is of utmost Importance. Generally speaking, you may have formulated the best methods and executed each one without fail, but If greed takes the upper hand, you'll lose a lot more than just the Item you're attempting to refund. Set your limit based on the nature of the SE and stick to It.

[Scorpio]

1. Getting a VPN that doesn't keep logs would be ideal since you will be doing multiple places and just doing this once could get you hemmed up if you mess up somewhere but you've already gotten your first item done so you are on the right track.
2. I'm not sure how Spoofs work either (Shouldn't be hard to do with a little bit of searching around). You should be fine with just using Google Voice since you can get rid of that # you used and grab another of similar characteristics. Creating a gmail acct just for voice, not connected to anything, is also a great idea to keep yourself safe.
3. There's a few houses around me that are "empty/foreclosed" so I just get the packages sent there under a fake, realistic/kinda generic, sounding name. You could try adding extra #/letters onto your apt name or something but I highly suggest searching up vacant residencies around you and using those instead of your actual address b/c there's no room for error when using your real address.

1. I only use the same method(s) if they permit, such as a product made by multiple companies with similar characteristics. IE: A Drone
2. This method works but there is no one size fits all answer for every company because many of them haves different policies and terms & conditions. You will need to do your own recon for that information IE: Calling up or emailing the company under an inquiry guise then implementing it into your SE.

Getting an encrypted email account is also a great idea
Always remember to "Stay Paranoid" (Dbl, Triple, Quadtuple check) while doing this type of thing.
2 other things to remember, get your shit in bulk or just for yourself at first b/c even if you decide against scaling your SE you have what you want for yourself already and can avoid being greedy or overconfident, which are the biggest 2 things that gets anyone doing illicit activities hemmed up.

Godspeed ahead kind human.

Alright, first I wanna thank you for the time you took to reply that big answer to me, that's really awesome! I'm gonna take each point and try to understand or say what I don't understand

1 - When you talked about a VPN which doesn't keep the log, do you have one in mind? I just started to use Tor and I found it pretty easy to use actually since you don't have to manipulate things, you just open it and here you go
2- When you are talking about google voice: " You should be fine with just using Google Voice since you can get rid of that # you used " What do you mean to get rid off #? I don't understand. I have to check how Google voice works actually because I've never used it before + I'm created my email address with gmx, should I switch to gmail? When I'm creating it should I always the VPN?
3- Jesus I have to see how can I see that, since I'm in a crowded neighborhood that's gonna be hard to do so I have to managed this aspect..

1- I didn't understand this sentence: I only use the same methods if they permit, products such as Drone
2- You talked about "encrypted email" How can I find that? Is that hard to do?

Alright I tried to understand what you told me, since I'm not a native speaker, some terms are hard to understand such as "keep your things in Bulk" Does that mean I have to keep the SE Item for myself only and not resell it because then it's more dangerous? But that sounds logical actually

I don't want to be greedy regarding the SE, the only thing that could be awesome is that If I can resell a CPU or GPU and make 700$ to pay a part of my rent, could be awesome actually but I have to see if oit's worth it or not

Thanks for your time and sorry if some of my questions seems really easy to answer, again I'm not an expert and your help is so cooool

[Scorpio]

and can avoid being greedy

This.

Identifying when enough Is enough, Is of utmost Importance. Generally speaking, you may have formulated the best methods and executed each one without fail, but If greed takes the upper hand, you'll lose a lot more than just the Item you're attempting to refund. Set your limit based on the nature of the SE and stick to It.

You'r totally right and I agree with this, I just want to test some little things like 50-100$ to see if I can Succeed it Not for resell, just for me

[Scorpio]

Hi guys.

Just wanted to see if someone got some relevant info to add or to answer

Plus I got a question. Can you bypass the PoP with corrupt file? Because I sent out 2 corrupted files but SS still want it ...

[relaxed state]

1. Getting a VPN that doesn't keep logs would be ideal since you will be doing multiple places and just doing this once could get you hemmed up if you mess up somewhere but you've already gotten your first item done so you are on the right track.
2. I'm not sure how Spoofs work either (Shouldn't be hard to do with a little bit of searching around). You should be fine with just using Google Voice since you can get rid of that # you used and grab another of similar characteristics. Creating a gmail acct just for voice, not connected to anything, is also a great idea to keep yourself safe.
3. There's a few houses around me that are "empty/foreclosed" so I just get the packages sent there under a fake, realistic/kinda generic, sounding name. You could try adding extra #/letters onto your apt name or something but I highly suggest searching up vacant residencies around you and using those instead of your actual address b/c there's no room for error when using your real address.

1. I only use the same method(s) if they permit, such as a product made by multiple companies with similar characteristics. IE: A Drone
2. This method works but there is no one size fits all answer for every company because many of them haves different policies and terms & conditions. You will need to do your own recon for that information IE: Calling up or emailing the company under an inquiry guise then implementing it into your SE.

Getting an encrypted email account is also a great idea
Always remember to "Stay Paranoid" (Dbl, Triple, Quadtuple check) while doing this type of thing.
2 other things to remember, get your shit in bulk or just for yourself at first b/c even if you decide against scaling your SE you have what you want for yourself already and can avoid being greedy or overconfident, which are the biggest 2 things that gets anyone doing illicit activities hemmed up.

Godspeed ahead kind human.

Alright, first I wanna thank you for the time you took to reply that big answer to me, that's really awesome!  I'm gonna take each point and try to understand or say what I don't understand

1 - When you talked about a VPN which doesn't keep the log, do you have one in mind? I just started to use Tor and I found it pretty easy to use actually since you don't have to manipulate things, you just open it and here you go
2- When you are talking about google voice: " You should be fine with just using Google Voice since you can get rid of that # you used " What do you mean to get rid off #? I don't understand. I have to check how Google voice works actually because I've never used it before + I'm created my email address with gmx, should I switch to gmail? When I'm creating it should I always the VPN?
3- Jesus I have to see how can I see that, since I'm in a crowded neighborhood that's gonna be hard to do so I have to managed this aspect..

1- I didn't understand this sentence: I only use the same methods if they permit, products such as Drone
2- You talked about "encrypted email" How can I find that? Is that hard to do?

Alright I tried to understand what you told me, since I'm not a native speaker, some terms are hard to understand such as "keep your things in Bulk" Does that mean I have to keep the SE Item for myself only and not resell it because then it's more dangerous? But that sounds logical actually

I don't want to be greedy regarding the SE, the only thing that could be awesome is that If I can resell a CPU or GPU and make 700$ to pay a part of my rent, could be awesome actually but I have to see if oit's worth it or not

Thanks for your time and sorry if some of my questions seems really easy to answer, again I'm not an expert and your help is so cooool

Sorry for the late reply I don't remember seeing a notif for some reason. *shrugs* lol
1. Well from a quick google search (Idk much about TOR in an in depth sense) it said you wouldn't need a VPN with it and it actually may make you un-anon depending on your VPN if you decided to use one. I would recommend nVPN for a no logs one tho, its pretty cheap to buy monthly.
2. With Google voice you can use the number you picked multiple times and delete the one you had before from your Gmail acct.
3. It's all good, using a dropshipping service could probably work I wouldn't know much about it though since I don't use one myself. Word of caution I guess would be to make sure your SE method is setup in such a way that does not bring legal action towards the dropship service though cause they may give up your info if they get into trouble themselves but some googling around will give you a much better answer than I could IMO.

1. Sorry my phrasing was a tad bit poor there and I could have elaborated better. OK so lets say you want multiple drones, could be any company. The individual method you use for one company could, in theory, be used for another company selling similar product instead of coming up with an entirely new method. Def make sure you read each companies Policies and Terms unless you have enough exp to wing it but even then that's a high risk IMO.
2. I use ProtonMail for my encrypted email and also have a dummy account setup under the same pseudo name just in case they ask me to send something through a different email address. IE: Corrupted files sent through ProtonMail but IT department can't open it so they troubleshoot through getting it sent from Gmail or just any other general email.

I hope I clarified enough, either way ask a question if further needs to be elaborated on.

[relaxed state]

Hi guys.

Just wanted to see if someone got some relevant info to add or to answer

Plus I got a question. Can you bypass the PoP with corrupt file? Because I sent out 2 corrupted files but SS still want it ...

You have a 50/50 chance here with this, its really going to depend on how well your excuses work and the sense of urgency you can give out with your words. I say keep sending the corrupt file and after a certain point they'll eventually give up (seen somebody mention this in old posts on here) and send you what you want. If they get tired of the back n forth and say something along the lines of "We still can't do anything for you without said pictures" you can try to rebuttal with an excuse about it being for "extremely time constrained video work" or a "child's birthday happening in a few day".

[mothered]

Plus I got a question. Can you bypass the PoP with corrupt file? Because I sent out 2 corrupted files but SS still want it ...

As I've stated In your other thread, keep sending corrupted files.

It's Important to reassure them that the files are working fine on your end, and to also change file extensions each time. This gives the appearance as though you're trying everything on your part to fulfill their request.

[Scorpio]

1. Getting a VPN that doesn't keep logs would be ideal since you will be doing multiple places and just doing this once could get you hemmed up if you mess up somewhere but you've already gotten your first item done so you are on the right track.
2. I'm not sure how Spoofs work either (Shouldn't be hard to do with a little bit of searching around). You should be fine with just using Google Voice since you can get rid of that # you used and grab another of similar characteristics. Creating a gmail acct just for voice, not connected to anything, is also a great idea to keep yourself safe.
3. There's a few houses around me that are "empty/foreclosed" so I just get the packages sent there under a fake, realistic/kinda generic, sounding name. You could try adding extra #/letters onto your apt name or something but I highly suggest searching up vacant residencies around you and using those instead of your actual address b/c there's no room for error when using your real address.

1. I only use the same method(s) if they permit, such as a product made by multiple companies with similar characteristics. IE: A Drone
2. This method works but there is no one size fits all answer for every company because many of them haves different policies and terms & conditions. You will need to do your own recon for that information IE: Calling up or emailing the company under an inquiry guise then implementing it into your SE.

Getting an encrypted email account is also a great idea
Always remember to "Stay Paranoid" (Dbl, Triple, Quadtuple check) while doing this type of thing.
2 other things to remember, get your shit in bulk or just for yourself at first b/c even if you decide against scaling your SE you have what you want for yourself already and can avoid being greedy or overconfident, which are the biggest 2 things that gets anyone doing illicit activities hemmed up.

Godspeed ahead kind human.

Alright, first I wanna thank you for the time you took to reply that big answer to me, that's really awesome!  I'm gonna take each point and try to understand or say what I don't understand

1 - When you talked about a VPN which doesn't keep the log, do you have one in mind? I just started to use Tor and I found it pretty easy to use actually since you don't have to manipulate things, you just open it and here you go
2- When you are talking about google voice: " You should be fine with just using Google Voice since you can get rid of that # you used " What do you mean to get rid off #? I don't understand. I have to check how Google voice works actually because I've never used it before + I'm created my email address with gmx, should I switch to gmail? When I'm creating it should I always the VPN?
3- Jesus I have to see how can I see that, since I'm in a crowded neighborhood that's gonna be hard to do so I have to managed this aspect..

1- I didn't understand this sentence: I only use the same methods if they permit, products such as Drone
2- You talked about "encrypted email" How can I find that? Is that hard to do?

Alright I tried to understand what you told me, since I'm not a native speaker, some terms are hard to understand such as "keep your things in Bulk" Does that mean I have to keep the SE Item for myself only and not resell it because then it's more dangerous? But that sounds logical actually

I don't want to be greedy regarding the SE, the only thing that could be awesome is that If I can resell a CPU or GPU and make 700$ to pay a part of my rent, could be awesome actually but I have to see if oit's worth it or not

Thanks for your time and sorry if some of my questions seems really easy to answer, again I'm not an expert and your help is so cooool

Sorry for the late reply I don't remember seeing a notif for some reason. *shrugs* lol
1. Well from a quick google search (Idk much about TOR in an in depth sense) it said you wouldn't need a VPN with it and it actually may make you un-anon depending on your VPN if you decided to use one. I would recommend nVPN for a no logs one tho, its pretty cheap to buy monthly.
2. With Google voice you can use the number you picked multiple times and delete the one you had before from your Gmail acct.
3. It's all good, using a dropshipping service could probably work I wouldn't know much about it though since I don't use one myself. Word of caution I guess would be to make sure your SE method is setup in such a way that does not bring legal action towards the dropship service though cause they may give up your info if they get into trouble themselves but some googling around will give you a much better answer than I could IMO.

1. Sorry my phrasing was a tad bit poor there and I could have elaborated better. OK so lets say you want multiple drones, could be any company. The individual method you use for one company could, in theory,  be used for another company selling similar product instead of coming up with an entirely new method. Def make sure you read each companies Policies and Terms unless you have enough exp to wing it but even then that's a high risk IMO.
2. I use ProtonMail for my encrypted email and also have a dummy account setup under the same pseudo name just in case they ask me to send something through a different email address. IE: Corrupted files sent through ProtonMail but IT department can't open it so they troubleshoot through getting it sent from Gmail or just any other general email.

I hope I clarified enough, either way ask a question if further needs to be elaborated on.

Hi!

Thanks a lot for your time both of you. That's really nice to learn a bit more how the SE is working and what I have to do aside.

1) Alright so I read some things on Internet and some are speaking about AirVpn which is used this way: IP > Tor > AirVPN but most of people are using NordVPN: IP>VPN>Tor
So I've checked your VPN and it's 6$/month which is OK i guess but I don't have any clue on how to use it so do you know if it's difficult to setup the first time?

I have to admit that I don't know shit regarding the anonymous process on internet but since the SE I have to do it the correct way and VPN is like a requirement and a basic one.

2) I have to check Google Voice because I don't know how it works either but do you call the companies everytime? Or you use chat or email?
Like for example Logitech by chat it was hell and by phone it was ok..

3) Yeah the Dropshipping option is scaring me to be honest but I don't have that much solution around me since I'm leaving in an apartment and don't know anyone in the city I guess I'm pretty fucked up so I have to see If i can bypass that.

Thanks for the Protonemail, I'm gonna check it right now and see how it works!

I'm running 2 SE right now, first one is with Razer but they are really hard. I contacted them everyday since friday by live chat and I ended up saying that I threw the mouse pad because It burned my finger and since I have a baby dog I didn't want to take any risk but they asked me to pick it up on the garbage so I have to check what Can i do next
And the second one is SS with the corrupted files. I used the "Family loss" excuse and this is the 3rd time I sent to them a corrupted file. I changed the extension everytime so I hope it will work.

I'll keep you updated by the way and thanks again