[EviLTeaM]

Hey,

I've got a good setup for placing big orders ($5k+) on Amazon for refunds. The only thing that is stopping me from scaling is lack of CCs. I've used my/sister/friend CCs but at the moment I'm stuggling to find other CCs to place orders from. I know people use VCCs like Revolut but it's not available in my country and I'm also outside US.

The question is: What VCC or CC services / providers do you guys use to place big orders on Amazon (atleast something over 2-3k) without using the same billing address and getting your accounts linked? Also another question rises, how would I got about bypassing the hold on these VCCs? (I assume I'd need to photoshop billing statements and passports to match the fake CC holder / billing address).

I need to be able to withdraw the money from the VCC after getting the refund or just to be able to generate a new VCC and transfer the money to it for a new order.

I've looked into Privacy and Paywithmoon but one is for US and the other doesnt work atm. I have a verified Wise account if that helps but it has my real billing address on it so all the generated CCs have the same billing address.

Thank you.

[EviLTeaM]

Anyone? Will be greatly appreciated.

[ruonis55]

You already answered your questions. By faking documents you will not bypass the system, it's not worth your time, if you get AVS, create a new account. To bypass it, you have order cheap things before ordering big things, it bypasses AVS 100%. Best VCC companies are not shareable, you have to deal with what you can, Revolut, Monese , N26. Of course, there are people that sell those bank accounts, so you can buy multiple of them and you have VCC as many as you want.

[EviLTeaM]

You already answered your questions. By faking documents you will not bypass the system, it's not worth your time, if you get AVS, create a new account. To bypass it, you have order cheap things before ordering big things, it bypasses AVS 100%.  Best VCC companies are not shareable, you have to deal with what you can, Revolut, Monese , N26. Of course, there are people that sell those banck accounts, so you can buy multiple of them and you have VCC as many as you want.

I do make 2-3 small orders under 10 pounds before the big one but I still get the hold and i remove it with real docs. Im doing this on aged accounts with order history and cookies with a static residential ip from a new VM for every acc.

So what you are saying, is that its just luck and I can keep making new CCs even at my own banck and use the same billing address with different accounts and it will eventually work?

[ruonis55]

You already answered your questions. By faking documents you will not bypass the system, it's not worth your time, if you get AVS, create a new account. To bypass it, you have order cheap things before ordering big things, it bypasses AVS 100%.  Best VCC companies are not shareable, you have to deal with what you can, Revolut, Monese , N26. Of course, there are people that sell those banck accounts, so you can buy multiple of them and you have VCC as many as you want.

I do make 2-3 small orders under 10 pounds before the big one but I still get the hold and i remove it with real docs. Im doing this on aged accounts with order history and cookies with a static residential ip from a new VM for every acc.

So what you are saying, is that its just luck and I can keep making new CCs even at my own banck and use the same billing address with different accounts and it will eventually work?

Maybe you have low quality proxies or something. I am talking about VCCs. Not always you can expect them to work at first glance, sometimes it takes even 5-7 accounts and then you order the thing you want, but sometimes you order it from the first time. But as I said, I ordered some cheap things and then I made a bigger order, I didn't have any problems I don't know what are you doing wrong.

[EviLTeaM]

You already answered your questions. By faking documents you will not bypass the system, it's not worth your time, if you get AVS, create a new account. To bypass it, you have order cheap things before ordering big things, it bypasses AVS 100%.  Best VCC companies are not shareable, you have to deal with what you can, Revolut, Monese , N26. Of course, there are people that sell those banck accounts, so you can buy multiple of them and you have VCC as many as you want.

I do make 2-3 small orders under 10 pounds before the big one but I still get the hold and i remove it with real docs. Im doing this on aged accounts with order history and cookies with a static residential ip from a new VM for every acc.

So what you are saying, is that its just luck and I can keep making new CCs even at my own banck and use the same billing address with different accounts and it will eventually work?

Maybe you have low quality proxies or something. I am talking about VCCs. Not always you can expect them to work at first glance, somethings it takes even 5-7 accounts and then you order the thing you want, but sometimes you order it from the first time. But as I said, I ordered some cheap things and then I made a bigger order, I didn't have any problems  I don't know what are you doing wrong.

Using IPburger for proxies. Pretty high quality. I managed to place orders even after the hold, thats not the problem. From what I understand is that its possible to avoid AVS completly by doing small orders beforehand. In this case I can just spam create Wise CCs and try my luck with multiple accounts? What about the billing address? Do you just scramble it by adding additional letters / numbers or it doesnt matter?

[ruonis55]

I do make 2-3 small orders under 10 pounds before the big one but I still get the hold and i remove it with real docs. Im doing this on aged accounts with order history and cookies with a static residential ip from a new VM for every acc.

So what you are saying, is that its just luck and I can keep making new CCs even at my own banck and use the same billing address with different accounts and it will eventually work?

Maybe you have low quality proxies or something. I am talking about VCCs. Not always you can expect them to work at first glance, somethings it takes even 5-7 accounts and then you order the thing you want, but sometimes you order it from the first time. But as I said, I ordered some cheap things and then I made a bigger order, I didn't have any problems  I don't know what are you doing wrong.

Using IPburger for proxies. Pretty high quality. I managed to place orders even after the hold, thats not the problem. From what I understand is that its possible to avoid AVS completly by doing small orders beforehand. In this case I can just spam create Wise CCs and try my luck with multiple accounts? What about the billing address? Do you just scramble it by adding additional letters / numbers or it doesnt matter?

I don't change the billing address, it's the same as the shipping one. The shipping could be jigged as much as you can. Yeah, you should try different tactics with accounts or it could be just for now and after some time everything will work for you without any problems. Like I had a hustle ordering some 200 euro item, I created account after account and got AVS every time. The next day I ordered it from the first time, so you can't predict the system. But the cheap ordering and buying then a big one it definitely works.

[EviLTeaM]

Maybe you have low quality proxies or something. I am talking about VCCs. Not always you can expect them to work at first glance, somethings it takes even 5-7 accounts and then you order the thing you want, but sometimes you order it from the first time. But as I said, I ordered some cheap things and then I made a bigger order, I didn't have any problems  I don't know what are you doing wrong.

Using IPburger for proxies. Pretty high quality. I managed to place orders even after the hold, thats not the problem. From what I understand is that its possible to avoid AVS completly by doing small orders beforehand. In this case I can just spam create Wise CCs and try my luck with multiple accounts? What about the billing address? Do you just scramble it by adding additional letters / numbers or it doesnt matter?

I don't change the billing address, it's the same as the shipping one. The shipping could be jigged as much as you can. Yeah, you should try different tactics with accounts or it could be just for now and after some time everything will work for you without any problems.  Like I had a hustle ordering some 200 euro item, I created account after account and got AVS every time. The next day I ordered it from the first time, so you can't predict the system. But the cheap ordering and buying then a big one it definitely works.

Ohh, I see. You are ordering to yourself. Im doing orders to a drop in UK but I'm doing big orders of over 5k and its kinda hard to not get avs-ed. Well I guess ill just keep trying.

Thanks

[Wreck_C]

I mean that just screams fraud/un-authorized use. You are going to likely get the accounts put on hold now days. Amazon has probably dealt a lot with people claiming their cards was stolen and used etc. AVS is probably on high alert for trends.

Imagine the account has a couple of ($10 orders) and then suddenly orders 3k-5k when it has never ordered anything close to $300-$500 to that address.

The people that still do those type hustle have various cards/addresses and properly aged their amazon accounts on separate proxies.