[holio2k]

Hi. Was thinking about this earlier today. Say if I get a return label and box for example Amazon. Before they scan my package I put for example bleach on the label so it will be unreadable after a couple of hours and propably get stuck in shipping. Would this to work? Any ideas. Thanks.

[SE.UK]

get a shipping label, test it out

very interesting idea tho!!

[mothered]

Carriers document their pickup & delivery runs, be It scanning or a physically-generated manifest.

If the package cannot be Identified at the collection point, It won't make Its way to their depot.

[durden666]

Carriers document their pickup & delivery runs, be It scanning or a physically-generated manifest.

If the package cannot be Identified at the collection point, It won't make Its way to their depot.

What about if a package had a label and was successfully scanned at the pick up, but after making its way to the depot, the label happens to go missing. Who would the inability land on? Would you still get a refund you reckon?

Probably store dependant and would have to read their terms...

[mothered]

What about if a package had a label and was successfully scanned at the pick up, but after making its way to the depot, the label happens to go missing. Who would the inability land on? Would you still get a refund you reckon?

Probably store dependant and would have to read their terms...

I like your way of thinking- you question assumptions, work around the obvious and always have an open mind for the "what Ifs".

In answer to your question, It Is carrier-dependent. Without naming specifics and for obvious reasons, It will not work with the carriers I liaise with at work. They scan the package on pickup, and also sign a manifest that's associated with Its respective package(s)- description, weights & dimensions Included.

If the label happens to go missing, they refer to the signed manifest and locate It by matching the details against the package. It may well work with carriers that do not operate In this manner.

[durden666]

What about if a package had a label and was successfully scanned at the pick up, but after making its way to the depot, the label happens to go missing. Who would the inability land on? Would you still get a refund you reckon?

Probably store dependant and would have to read their terms...

I like your way of thinking- you question assumptions, work around the obvious and always have an open mind for the "what Ifs".

In answer to your question, It Is carrier-dependent. Without naming specifics and for obvious reasons, It will not work with the carriers I liaise with at work. They scan the package on pickup, and also sign a manifest that's associated with Its respective package(s)- description, weights & dimensions Included.

If the label happens to go missing, they refer to the signed manifest and locate It by matching the details against the package. It may well work with carriers that do not operate In this manner.

Ok. So what if the label happened to have all the ink on it "somehow" disappear?

As in, one day the shipping label is completely normal, when it gets picked up basically. However whilst sitting in the depot waiting to be picked up to be moved to the next place, the label "somehow" turns blank. Completely blank. Just a plain sheet of paper. What do you reckon would happen then? Still the same thing? They would match it by it's description? I suppose they very well could remake the label by figuring out which one is missing, by sifting through their whole database of what stock they should have in the warehouse, and cross referencing with what IS Actually there, or more specifically which labels. However I presume this would be an extremely long and arduous process, perhaps not worth their time and money.

Asking as this is a method I have been researching a lot Actually. However there are a few imperfections I need to work out, and obviously test it also.

Regardless, interested to hear your opinion.

[Fastera]

Very interesting thread, I would be interested in the possibilities as well.

[paranxia]

What about if a package had a label and was successfully scanned at the pick up, but after making its way to the depot, the label happens to go missing. Who would the inability land on? Would you still get a refund you reckon?

Probably store dependant and would have to read their terms...

I like your way of thinking- you question assumptions, work around the obvious and always have an open mind for the "what Ifs".

In answer to your question, It Is carrier-dependent. Without naming specifics and for obvious reasons, It will not work with the carriers I liaise with at work. They scan the package on pickup, and also sign a manifest that's associated with Its respective package(s)- description, weights & dimensions Included.

If the label happens to go missing, they refer to the signed manifest and locate It by matching the details against the package. It may well work with carriers that do not operate In this manner.

Ok. So what if the label happened to have all the ink on it "somehow" disappear?

As in, one day the shipping label is completely normal, when it gets picked up basically. However whilst sitting in the depot waiting to be picked up to be moved to the next place, the label "somehow" turns blank. Completely blank. Just a plain sheet of paper. What do you reckon would happen then? Still the same thing? They would match it by it's description? I suppose they very well could remake the label by figuring out which one is missing, by sifting through their whole database of what stock they should have in the warehouse, and cross referencing with what IS Actually there, or more specifically which labels. However I presume this would be an extremely long and arduous process, perhaps not worth their time and money.

Asking as this is a method I have been researching a lot Actually. However there are a few imperfections I need to work out, and obviously test it also.

Regardless, interested to hear your opinion.

very interesting ... and if the label were compromised not totally but only partially would it be better?
however I think that sites like amazon generally have less I want to do the necessary checks ... obviously it depends on the objects and the SE used before

[mothered]

So what if the label happened to have all the ink on it "somehow" disappear?

As in, one day the shipping label is completely normal, when it gets picked up basically. However whilst sitting in the depot waiting to be picked up to be moved to the next place, the label "somehow" turns blank. Completely blank. Just a plain sheet of paper.

The moment packages reach the carrier's depot, they're not left lying around awaiting attention. It doesn't operate on the same principle as the collection point- waiting for the carrier to collect It.

At the depot, packages, pallets, skids etc are recorded the moment the driver drops off his consignment. It's only then that they're allocated to their respective section and kept In storage until the driver loads them In his van for his scheduled deliver run.

[durden666]

So what if the label happened to have all the ink on it "somehow" disappear?

As in, one day the shipping label is completely normal, when it gets picked up basically. However whilst sitting in the depot waiting to be picked up to be moved to the next place, the label "somehow" turns blank. Completely blank. Just a plain sheet of paper.

The moment packages reach the carrier's depot, they're not left lying around awaiting attention. It doesn't operate on the same principle as the collection point- waiting for the carrier to collect It.

At the depot, packages, pallets, skids etc are recorded the moment the driver drops off his consignment. It's only then that they're allocated to their respective section and kept In storage until the driver loads them In his van for his scheduled deliver run.

Let me rephrase that as I see your point and believe I was not clear enough. For example:

I know that X courier picks up parcels from Y shop at roughly Z time each day. I proceed to drop a parcel at Y shop an hour before the Z time. I have affixed to the parcel a prepaid label that I've just pronted to return my parcel to Amazon. I know that it will be sent either next day delivery or standard (a few days). 12 hours from Z, the point in time at which my parcel was picked up by X courier, the parcel is in transit still. As it is probably either very late in the evening, or early hours of the morning, before the parcel would be out for delivery. At this point in time, give or take a few hours, the pre paid shipping returns label that I printed off and affixed to the parcel, happens to loose all ink on it, and go completely blank. Simply put it just turns into a completely plain white sheet of paper with nothing on it whatever. Whilst this parcel is still in transit. Meaning it's probably in the back of some van, truck, or on a bigger pallet with multiple other parcels. The label does not turn blank instantly, but rather it gradually, yet quickly, turns blank. Think of the process when dry ice sublimates. Therefore the chances that someone personally, very quickly, notices that the label turned blank are slim to none. As the parcel spends very minimal time in someone's hands or Infront of someone's eyes with them paying close attention to the affixed label. Thus, the next time someone picks up said parcel, after those 12 hours, everything from the label will be either extremely faded to the point of not being able to read it, or it being completely blank. So for example the parcel label is still vaguely readable and scannable, this happens and it is thrown onto the back of the final.ups truck and goes out for delivery. Whilst in the back it turns completely blank. So what next? The driver knows via his gps where a parcel has to go, yes. And pulls upto the Amazon returns center. Starts looking for the parcel in the back. Obviously can't find it. Might find one parcel with a blank label. And thinks logically this must be the one. Yet he is unable to scan it, for the system to process that it's been delivered.. Simultaneously the driver would also be extremely unsure if it is even the parcel for the correct address, i.e the return center. Therefore will most probably return it back to the depot to enquire with the manager. Now what next? Amazon will see that you've posted it. You've upheld your end of the agreement. Therefore if you contact them they shout in theory refund you?

This theory stems from a time when this legitimately happened to me with a 1.5k item. It said it was in transit for a whole month. I pestered them a little and got my refund.

Please do let me know if the above theory was any more clear, and your opinion on it.