[Sylnoir]

Hi Sinisters,

The past two years I've had beef with Amazon in which they cost me alot of money over something I had no control over (long story short they committed an act of treason)  since then I decided to get refunds on every purchase I did through there. Several accounts have been opened during this time with half of them closed during the process for "being linked to another account" even though they trailed me, this method has been atleast 80% effective in obtaining refunds; however, recently noticed they were closing accounts whenever I would use my regular cc with my name on it even though I used a different address. When they did this first time I thought "Wow! It's taken them this long to figure this out".
I haven't invested alot into covering my trail with VPN, etc because I used mobile to make purchases they seemed to not trail me, could have been a bad move for the long run.
I've experienced very easily to out maneuver their systems algorithms until recently... I opened a new account purchased items a month into it's life time, using a different name, gift-cc, VOIP line to make the call, but an address I've had associated previously before with orders, no VPN hide on mobile (everytime I pull my IP it places me in a nearby state) so wasn't concerned they could figure me out there.
 I had no previous purchases when I made this order under 200$. Everytime I report to Amazon it is the "No package received method", I've actually used same phone number until this last time with an VOIP. The only way they could have trailed me (I assume) is with the address that was previously used to get freebies AND my voice when I called to report no package. I mean, I only have so many addresses I can associate myself with without having to get another individual involved and I'd like to very much keep it that way.
•Main question here is, if you see any flaws to this method can you point it out?
• Also, how in the world do any of you get packages sent to you with an address that isn't yours?

[mothered]

TL;DR.

Breaking It down and formatting It In point form or paragraphs, will be a lot easier to follow.

[MrSamuel]

•Main question here is, if you see any flaws to this method can you point it out?
• Also, how in the world do any of you get packages sent to you with an address that isn't yours?

To me it seems like you have over used these addresses along with the DNA method. So whenever you mention a package has gone missing, it brings up red flags on their system.

It also seems like they are linking you through your address and whenever you try to use a cc that has been used on a closed account.

To solve this, you can find a drop address — a vacant house that is currently for sale or has been abandoned — and you can tell if it’s vacant by calling the phone number at evening times when you’d expect someone to be home.

Did you say you are using GCs now as a payment method instead of a cc?

[Sylnoir]

•Main question here is, if you see any flaws to this method can you point it out?
• Also, how in the world do any of you get packages sent to you with an address that isn't yours?

To me it seems like you have over used these addresses along with the DNA method. So whenever you mention a package has gone missing, it brings up red flags on their system.

It also seems like they are linking you through your address and whenever you try to use a cc that has been used on a closed account.

To solve this, you can find a drop address — a vacant house that is currently for sale or has been abandoned — and you can tell if it’s vacant by calling the phone number at evening times when you’d expect someone to be home.

Did you say you are using GCs now as a payment method instead of a cc?

I've considered using abandoned property, but didnt know how safe and how patroled it was by the owner. This would be the best course it seems if I could successfully pull it off.
Yes, first time using a GC and they closed the account as it appears they are being more thorough now.
•Also, do you think they are listening to calls? They would recognize my voice with no problem if they trace those calls with the others. Any advice there?

[MrSamuel]

Yes, first time using a GC and they closed the account as it appears they are being more thorough now.

Did you get a refund or replacement on the item or did they close it basically after you hung up the phone?

•Also, do you think they are listening to calls? They would recognize my voice with no problem if they trace those calls with the others. Any advice there?

I haven’t heard of anyone being identified to a closed account through voice recognition. The only advice I can give you is, find another address to ship to, maybe click and collect? Then use wrong item received method.

Don’t use that billing address/cc/phone number,email anymore. Those are the things that can link you to a closed account, to my knowledge.
After that you should be good to go. Kinda sucks when you’re blacklisted, you have to resort to more complicated/less lucrative methods

[Sylnoir]

•They started an investigation when reported item not received and a day later closed account.
No refund.
•Yes, they're now making me work for my freebies! Any idea on the length of time blacklist last?

[MrSamuel]

•They started an investigation when reported item not received and a day later closed account.
No refund.
•Yes, they're now making me work for my freebies! Any idea on the length of time blacklist last?

Have you gotten a new cc from your bank since you initially got banned or have you been trying to use the same one since?

When you say “they started an investigation”, did the rep say those words to you on the phone? Or was a refund agreed then you received an email about an investigation?

I’m not quite sure, I’d imagine it’s permanent. But then again you can just move house and the ban is lifted since all details would be different, so I can’t really say.

[Sylnoir]

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Have you gotten a new cc from your since you initially got banned or have you been trying to use the same one since?

•New cc do not work as they will just close account based on my name and address. First time using GC and didn't work was sure it was a home run, BUT then again the same address issue.

When you say “they started an investigation”, did the rep say those words to you on the phone? Or was a refund agreed then you received an email about an investigation?

•Words were investigation first. I should have aborted that conversation and redialed until I had a first rep to refund as they are often times "transferring" you to the correct dept for non-reciept. Keeping it at the first rep to refund, I think will greatly increase likelihood of success.

[MrSamuel]

•Words were investigation first. I should have aborted that conversation and redialed until I had a first rep to refund as they are often times "transferring" you to the correct dept for non-reciept. Keeping it at the first rep to refund, I think will greatly increase likelihood of success.

My thoughts exactly. If they mention that they are going to start an investigation, try to come up with an excuse to stop them. Such as, can you let me call you back? as an investigation would make matters more complicated, I will be happy to wait another day to see if my package arrives.

This excuse works better if you didn’t mention a refund at the start of the conversation but instead just wanted to know where your parcel was, as it said it had been delivered.

It’s best when they make the decision to refund/replace as opposed to you saying my parcel never arrived, give me a refund. When you get stern reps, that usually raises a red flag in their head that you’re shady, which is why they are adamant on starting an investigation.

So just cycle through reps saying you want to know where your parcel is and wait for a nice one to suggest a refund/replacement straight away.

Although, beware, some are sneaky and start an investigation even though they’ve processed a refund and never mentioned starting an investigation. That usually happens on accounts with suspicious looking recent activity. (2 refunds out of 5 orders)

[sora670]

My question is how do they link your accounts to each other? Through the card or billing address?